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What exactly would you propose the fanbase do to act??

Dump all of our disposable income into an Athletic Department that's proven to be utterly inept? Then we will throw some more mandatory fee money into the pot too...because that will fix it??

This is a VT Athletics problem...created by years of bad decisions that occurred at a particularly horrible time and an inflection point in College Sports.

Expecting and mandating the public to bail you out is asinine. I wouldn't invest my money in a stock of a company that is struggling financially...why would I put my money in VT Athletics right now??

Forcing student fees is akin to a company forcing employees to buy company stock to stay employed there..in the private sector, it would be massively illegal...

Here's the message to the Athletic Department: show me some results. Until then, put your hand back in your pocket.

Give me the guy that's just going to demand the resources to continuously succeed, not sit here and win 8 games with a 6 win roster and get a pat on the back.

8 wins would be our best result since 2019. With all due respect, that would be a step up from where we are now.

Well, unless something hugely drastic occurs, we will not have more in the immediate future...so...

And this is exactly what I am talking about.

Rather than trying to figure out how we can get out of this mess, too many damn people associated with this school would rather come up with every excuse in the book on why not to act. This small time woe is us we should just be happy to be where we are mindset is EXACTLY why we are in the shitter right now.

As a school and fanbase we don't have the stones to do what is necessary to compete. We are a major educational institution with a community college mindset.

Good news, I doubled my wins from last week. Bad news, that means I won 2 games.

Glad I am not betting money on this or else I would be pissed losing 3 games (UVA, IOWA ST, SMU) by 0.5 points each.

With all due respect, your one off anecdote is an exception to the overall trend of the school. The fact of the matter is that enrollment went from 18k undergrad students in the fall of 1992 to 31k undergrad students in the fall of last year. That happened because the VT brand rose in football under Frank Beamer. Applications doubled after the 1999 team went to the National Championship Game, and vaulted us to the relationships we have now.

I am glad you had a great time at VT without caring about football, but you come from a different era. VT and Blacksburg cannot afford to go back to the small time mindset we had at that time.

I'm a second generation VT grad, and knew that I wanted to go to Tech since I was three years old. I went to Tech for the Engineering degree and it has served me very well. Did I enjoy the football program? Absolutely, it became a big part of my college experience and I am glad for that. But I went to VT because my uncle went there. Because astronauts went there. Because the people who put men on the moon went there, etc. Granted I'm old and kids don't have the same influences and motivations now and Football is the front porch of the university and all that but in the end Virginia Tech the institution will be fine. I'd really like us to be good at football but at what cost... I dunno.

The Florida poach was certainly always the threat, in any situation. That's a good point.

"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

We aren't an Ivy League school. We aren't a Cal Tech, RIT or MIT

Counterpoint...we aren't Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, USC, or Notre Dame either.

We don't expend money and resources trying to compete academically with MIT...why does it make any more sense to do that to try to compete with Alabama in football???

Look, your points are largely valid, VT did benefit from the Glory years of the Football Program. But those years are an ever fading memory now.

Forced fees to chase some fleeting Football Glory when the SEC and B1G teams will just pick us apart with whatever gains we make is the point at which this no longer makes sense.

On the contrary the football program is the base reason I knew I would go no where else. I grew up driving to games with my family from Richmond to Blacksburg every other Saturday of the fall. Without that there's very little reason I would have gone to VT over any of the other colleges in the state.

I went to tech in the early 90's based on the school's engineering college. I didn't give a flying fig about their football program and honestly probably only watched 5 games in my four years on campus from 93-97.

VT wouldn't be VT without the football program. The 1995-2010 era supercharged our applications, broadened our enrollment to levels we never could have imagined in the 80s, got us into the ACC which allowed us to have numerous research partnerships with the likes of Wake Forest, and got us the credibility that eventually led to us being able to open the DC campus partnered with Amazon.

All of that stemmed from us having an elite football program between 20 and 30 years ago.

And I am sorry if this sounds callous, but in your scenario John may want to afford Tuition, but if that was his biggest concern maybe he should go somewhere more affordable. There are too many variables completely dependent on VT football, both within the school and in the local and regional community for us to allow it to go in the shitter. If that means raising tuition, so be it. That is the price of remaining relevant.

We aren't an Ivy League school. We aren't a Cal Tech, RIT or MIT where our academic standing is elite enough for our name to drive admissions without it being out there in the public's eye in sports. Like it or not, VT needs a healthy athletic department to survive and the athletic department needs a good football program to drive revenue. You might not like the cost, but its necessary for VT to remain VT and not a glorified regional college.

That will be me. I love being able to watch the starters for the first half and then the backups get serious play time in the second half.

I think he still would've left for Florida in 2018. But I'm still not opposed to him as an option now - especially if he keeps UNLV rolling in year 1 there. I agree he's a weirdo, but he's a good coach and knows how to maximize a roster. If we can update the player personnel side, then I think he'd be a good fit. I just hope he wouldn't bring emotional blitzing Todd Grantham with him.
EDIT: and by "update the player personnel side" I mean bring in a GM who oversees recruiting similar to what big schools like Michigan are moving into doing. Let Mullen focus on coaching and scheme.

Just means I'll get back to Richmond in time to hit the club Saturday night! (little disappointed to lose time for -sadly-the best part of gamedays so far...the tailgate.)

Bring me Fran Brown. Experience at Georgia and had his team running "sprints" on the field after they squeaked out an OT win against UConn. Told the reporter post game "glad that we won, but I am really pissed right now". Above average recruiter and high standards.

I will pass on Whit's protege. She might be great, but the connection will probably make her leash shorter than she deserves.

It's not unique to VT for sure. There's the 20-ish Tiffany brands and then there's everyone else. We are in the latter category. What we are seeing is the middle getting broader and smashed down lower. And we have lost so much in service of the forces that are doing this (TV). We've lost regional rivalries, we have giant conferences where teams don't see each other. This is the first time that Louisville is coming to play in Blacksburg coming up later this season. It's a mess, and all because a now out-dated market pricing model for cable package subscribers dictated that the BIG Ten needed to be in the NY and DC TV markets, lol.

Basically look at what has happened to the MAC, that's one version of the dark future that's coming for all of us. And I was a die hard fan. I was there when 1995-2000 happened. I was planning on making real-estate decisions driven by proximity to game days in Blacksburg and now it's fallen off so much that doing that kind of thing is just not a priority anymore. I need a new bathroom and kitchen. I can't be alone and I am in a critical giving demo. The economy of the sport changed at a really inopportune time.

We could have won both the first games 89-0 and it still would be a nooner. Nothing to read into this or take away from it.

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