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None of this matters unless commish-in-waiting Saban says it's the way.

I can't take the FBS seriously until conference championships matter like they do in basketball where they don't care what the name of your conference is - you win your conference, you are in the playoffs. This is what it will take to get me vested in the sport again where the pathway to a national championship has everything to do with your W/L record and less about the quality of those wins/losses.

By saying conference champions aren't guaranteed a bye the next logical step is to say that conference champions aren't guaranteed a spot at all which leads to the committee putting 8 (or 12 or 16 or whatever) sec and big teams in based on "resume" or whatever other bullshit spins ESPN can concoct

There is plenty to be upset about right now - the proposal that the P2 will each be (officially) guaranteed multiple playoff spots is a big issue - far more significant than giving byes to the top 2 teams instead of the top 2 conference champions.

It's not even just plausible.

The way that ESPN had their talking heads foaming at the mouth over someone like SMU, who played in a title game that they narrowly lost, being in the playoff over "deserving" 3 loss Alabama it's inevitable that they'll point the death ray at the conference champion auto-bids knowing damn well it will just maximize SEC entrants. I mean shit, Herbie is already on record saying we focus too much on the games that teams win, we are basically already at that point.

I agree. I see no reason why Arizona State and Boise State should be getting a bye. And I'm not a fan of Texas and Penn State getting a virtual pass to the semifinals by playing those "Top 4 seeded" teams.

A 12- or 16-team playoff is never going to be perfect, and there is always going to be some SEC/Big 10 favoritism. The saving grace is that the teams from those conferences have to actually win on the field to make it to the championship game.

"I never understood why a 7-9 team should have a chance to host a 15-1 team." This has never happened... i.e. there has been only 1 undefeated team since 72- the patriots - the 5 seeds that year the NY giants- 10-6 and Jags 11-5 were the teams that could have played at a division winner with a worse record. So its never been nearly that extreme. Having said that- this year could be bad... the loser of Detroit/Minny will have 3 losses and could travel to 7 loss LA Rams potentially, yes.

With Manziel, there were at least a fair amount of wow plays in college. Most people that watch the NFL probably still didnt think it would work but he was at least great in college. Shedeur doesn't come anywhere close to college Manziel from what I've seen

I had this same argument about the NFL like 20 years ago. I never understood why a 7-9 team should have a chance to host a 15-1 team. Their argument is that winning the conference should mean something, which is a spot in the playoff. Now it is different in college because they don't seed by wins. But winning a conference means you get in, no need to sweeten the pot.

It would have been a huge leap 5 years ago. But the way the last 5 years have gone... It's absolutely plausible. That's the reason I can't watch this garbage anymore. It's barreling so quickly in the direction I didn't want it to that my mind is a little blown. I didn't think it would get this bad this quickly... But here we are.

I laughed out loud at the constipation movie one.

I want to say something like oh come on, that is a huge leap from what they are saying to get to and ... But, sadly, what you say is definitely plausible.

Like you, I've avoiding watching any of the playoff games. Actually, have not watched anything other than the recording I made of Iowa State's game. And I probably would have just deleted it if they had not won. That's how disinterested I've become too.

What it does, though, is set the stage for locking out non P2 conference champions entirely. It's the next step in the process of making this a tournament for the most popular teams from the sec and b1g.

By saying conference champions aren't guaranteed a bye the next logical step is to say that conference champions aren't guaranteed a spot at all which leads to the committee putting 8 (or 12 or 16 or whatever) sec and big teams in based on "resume" or whatever other bullshit spins ESPN can concoct.

One of them was probably the kid that sat next to me in the Rutgers football travel sweats during the 4th quarter. lol. I doubt he is part of the future plans at Rutgers.

I think most communications with Schiano are hard

Hopefully Gabe doesn't qualify for this.

As for the hard conversation folks. Those have probably already happened and some more might announce after the bowl, like what ltrepeter2000 mentioned happened to Rutgers.

The one other thing I've seen, but not often, is medically retiring players, which allows us to honor the scholarship without counting against the roster limit. Not sure if we have any guys who might qualify for that this year though.

I wasn't sure how many guys we'd have who the coaches haven't had a hard conversation with who they hadn't already. Maybe at a position we feel like we just don't want to lose anybody, but might if the new coaches would be bringing some players with them?

It will move to 16- soon - with 4 auto bids for both the SEC and B1G- so this year Bama gets in as an automatic. The B1G already had 4 in but now they are guaranteed. Those conferences will also be eligible for at large bids of course. And yes they will build the bracket based on rankings, but won't re-seed because people like neat brackets and you can eliminate travel options that way and book early.

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