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He was moderately open with the Senator, I sincerely doubt he was open about the detailed files and everything (come on, it's Luthor. He had ulterior motives for them as well). I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about Bruce's perception of Luthor and his motives. I don't feel like Lois was all that imperative for Bruce (also a detective) in deducing that Luthor had ulterior motives (hence the debate/argument with Alfred before the big fight). I don't get what you mean by "necessary evil". I understand what it is but it seems too convenient of an explanation and inconsistent with the Dark Knight.

What are you talking about? Batman has killed before. Go back to the first one (89') when he killed the Joker and then proceed to the Forever film when Bruce was lecturing Grayson about killing and revenge. Even in the Dark Knight he killed Dent/Two-Face.

Considering the dark mood they were going for with the movie it fits the style. If you don't like when writers take liberties with established characters then I wouldn't suggest you watch any of the TV shows about comic book characters.

It costs 250 million, it made 400 million world wide the opening weekend. It has a 3/4 by Rolling Stone and a 7.5/10 on IMDb which are good scores. Don't dump on a movie you haven't even bothered to see.

I didn't watch the game but am I safe to assume that timeouts are also bothersome in basketball?

Just saw the movie, and it was about what I expected. My biggest gripe with the movie was just as you pointed out: Batman killing. I get the "jaded after 20 years" angle. But batman. Doesn't. Kill. That is the one absolute I feel should never be thrown to the wayside, and it bothers me more than a little that it was. Overall I enjoyed the movie and I'm excited for the justice League movies, but marvel definitely still has a leg up

I dunno. Lex was open about his Meta-Human Hypothesis to the extent that he was openly discussing it with the Senator at the start of the movie. I don't think finding Let's dossier on meta-humans would really set anything in motion toward believing Luthor was a criminal mastermind. But Bruce did know Lex had associated with criminal syndicates to obtain Kryptonite. He probably chalked it up to a necessary evil to get what he was after, but as soon as Lois started laying it out, Batman realized Lex wasn't just working with a syndicate, he was running it.

Honestly, they probably just choked away their best chance at a national title. Everything lined up for them to do it this year, from Michigan State losing to kick it off to playing the 10 seed in the regional finals to the overall to seed losing yesterday, it all lined up. They were up 16 with 8 minutes to play with a chance to play UNC for likely the whole thing, and they choked on their own spit. And in reality, the window for them to really soar before Buzz had us as a very serious threat to them is now closed and they didn't really capitalize on it.

Well, here is one factoid from BoxOfficeMojo.com that aligns pretty well with your post:

'From an audience perspective, Batman v Superman received a so-so "B" CinemaScore with a "B-" coming from males, which made up 62% of the audience, and "B" from females. Audience members under the age of 18, however, scored it an "A-".'

You're post about the safe word made me laugh and I agree about Batman saying "Consider this mercy." But Bruce had long begun to suspect the ulterior motives of Lex before the matchup. He even had an argument/debate with Alfred before going out on his first attempt to procure the kryptonite. Yes his primary focus was neutralizing/killing Kal-El, but after he decrypted Luthor's files you know he had to start suspecting and concluding the obvious because...Batman.

So you mean now maybe he'll actually recruit?

/ducks

I had this conversation with my buddy after the movie. Superman yelling out his mother's name only made Batman pause. Admittedly, if you're about to kill a guy and he calls out your dead mom's name, yelling, "You're letting them kill her!" it's gonna stall you a second. And in that moment of hesitation, Lois Lane rides the Deus Ex Machina Express into the scene, to explain that Lex is gonna kill Superman's mom, and basically set the whole thing in motion.

Remember that at this point, NO ONE knows Lex Luthor is a criminal mastermind. He's only known as an eccentric millennial billionaire. Bruce does business with Lex. He wouldn't suspect him, until Lois Lane, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, is suddenly making herself a human shield for Superman and explaining how Luthor is psychotic.

I get that the running joke will be that Martha is the safe word, but that's just like all the jokes that General Zod can't count because of "There's only one way this ends: either you die or I do." As for actual character motivation, Superman crying out Martha just made Bruce hesitate, and Lois spelling everything out made him spare Superman's life.

The only thing that pisses me off about that scene is that they didn't think to have Batman say, "Consider this mercy," as they help Superman up.

See, I actually liked the writing. Yes, it was over the top, but in exactly the same way that DC comics dialogue is. And the whole "Is she with you?" thing regarding Wonder Woman made me laugh harder than anything zinger from a Marvel movie.

Well, it already has. Biggest domestic Easter weekend, March, and pre-summer opening of all time ($170.1 million). Also, fourth-largest international opening of all time ($424 million), larger than any Marvel film to date.

Of all the true gold in this thread (and there is much of it), this is the truest, and most gold.

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