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There seems to be little doubt that the Hokie teams of recent years looked a lot less tough than those of the so-called glory days, and at least a share of the blame has to lay at the feet of the S&C crew.
It seems to me that the argument isn't about the old S&C coaches being unable to design a proper workout regimen, but that they didn't hold players accountable. If a young man was driven to work harder and improve, like Isaiah Ford, they obviously were able to help him do that. But players who weren't as motivated might not have been pushed. The proverbial horse that doesn't want to drink needs to feel the negative consequences, and it's not clear that that was the case.
It can be a delicate balancing act, to train these guys hard and develop them into the best athletes they can be without overdoing it and either chasing them off, or God forbid, getting someone hurt or killed. I don't envy the job these guys have to do and don't think that the really good ones get nearly enough credit.
Thanks for the summary.
What will be the Offensive Approach -
Run to win. Pass to Score

Evans is such a critical player for this team the next two years. And really, the future of the program is up for interpretation the next two years.
True, but this year, we saw Duke and UNC come into VA and clean our clock. Those aren't blue bloods, those are solid programs with stable leadership and energetic recruiters. Things that we lacked last year (and the year before when many of these decisions were made).
Beamer's retirement and our back to back to back lackluster seasons have vastly reduced our brand equity in the state. It will be interesting to see how Fuente can turn that around. Like you said, geographic preference is more diluted than ever, but you still gotta do better than this in your own state. We may not be able to get the 5 of the top 10 we could in the mid 2000's, but we need at least 2 of the top 10.
Not sure if we get any commits this weekend but it wouldn't shock me if Jordan Williams from Cox pulled the trigger.
Really want Hunter, let's start getting those 757 recruits!
This is what we need after a week of angst on the board and in Hokieland. What would be awesome is one of the 4* giving us a commitment this weekend!
Holy double post.
Which girl's parents? The victim's, or the scumbag's?
I was flipping through channels the other night and saw her parents speaking. They said that she had not done well socially with her peers and that she had created multiple "personas" on different social media accounts in order to feel accepted. They did not approve of this, but said they did not do enough to prevent it and wished they had done a lot more. Parents should have done more, but that is a tough situation as well. Can't feel anything but terrible for the little girl.
That's good to know. I don't follow the Redskins (or the NFL in general, really). I know that he has long had a prima donna reputation. If he's grown and left that behind him, good on him. It's still going to take more to convince me that he (or any other successful NFL player) would be a good DB coach at the collegiate level. I'm reminded of the old adage that "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." Doing a thing well and teaching others to do that thing well require completely different skill sets. He's demonstrated the first set. To my knowledge, the second set is a great unknown. All the more reason we should all be glad that I'm just a dummy commenting on the internet, rather than making these sorts of decisions.
... at the end of the day he wanted to be a Hokie.

It would be disappointing, but it's also not unreasonable. We were one loss away from such seasons for the past two years. Now we're legitimately in "the rebuilding period" which means anything can happen in the transition.
Great job! I appreciate the summary.
I think that the success with a lower revenue was more a product of successfully recruiting VA (and getting lucky that such great players came out of the area). MV7 and Tyrod are the perfect examples, although of course there are plenty of other players that were in the trenches during those years.
Part luck, part dedication to recruiting that area, and definitely no longer "enough" since other schools have caught on.
kids have been sneaking by/around their parents for a long time and it will happen for a long time after this. the age difference doesn't effect her parents knowing; "girl has secret relationship with a boy" is an idea that has been present for centuries and is made easier with technology.
maybe they don't know what the technology/apps are? it's very easy to believe that parents would trust their children when told what this new/different technology is.
Exactly. I don't think it is a coincidence that our slide began when we went away from mobile QB's, and I am not talking about using LT as a battering ram. How many times did we see a Vick, Randall, Taylor scramble for a first down on 3rd and 5? Think about how many close games we have lost over the past few years...with a mobile QB scrambling for a few more first downs in those games, we would've won many of them, and we'd still be winning at least 8 or 9 games a year.
Careful, or you'll get placed in Hufflepuff.

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# | Virginia Tech Confirms Torrian Gray Has Resigned, Expected to Take Same Position at Florida By doing it after signing day (which is what every other school does too, like when we hired Shane), they can play damage control on players who area already contractually bound to the University through their NLI. Doing it before signing day, other teams will get in their ears and it can destroy a recruiting class. They can still assure the recruits that they will have a good coach. Also, the rule always is that you commit to the school and program, not the coach. Few coaches, either position or head coach, will remain at your school during the entire time you are there.
Jim Weaver (may he rest in peace) certainly played a role in the stagnation. From a recruiting standpoint, Jim basically kneecapped the program thanks to his accountant's mindset. However, I firmly believe the post-2011 decline reaches much further than recruiting failures. In general, the intensity of the program waned from the top down. It affected every aspect of the program, from recruiting, to strength and conditioning, to practices, to individual player effort during games (and not being benched or reprimanded for taking plays off). That's one reason I think Fuente can have relatively quick success with the current roster, so long as we have more players with the work ethic of Isaiah Ford and Sam Rogers, who can pick up the gauntlet.
Again, I don't think this is an issue of it being Frank's "fault" as I think it was a matter of being Frank's time.
Man I love Tom Herman. Dude's awesome.
Going off of 24/7 composite, Tyrod and Wilson were night and day.
Tyrod:
http://247sports.com/Player/Tyrod-Taylor-24524?PlayerInstitution=39425
5* composite, #1 Dual QB, #1 player in VA, #17 nationally
Wilson:
http://247sports.com/Player/Russell-Wilson-13737?PlayerInstitution=3974
3* composite (and just barely at 0.7998, because 0.79 is 2*), #28 Dual QB, #37 player in VA, #1186 nationally
Um...I think Russell Wilson was much higher than a 2 star. I believe the storyline at the time was if we didn't get Tyrod, we would have taken Russell Wilson....
I could be wrong, but that's what I recall.
I saw a conversation on Twitter today between to Tech fans claiming that just like Chip Kelly and the Eagles Whit and Fuente will be run out of town in 3 years.
It hurt my head to read.

You keep hearing recruiting, recruiting, recruiting because it is the foundation of college football. Frank set the goal of this program to win a NC. You don't win a NC without consistent years of top recruiting. It's not a concept, it's a fact. I don't think NC expectations are realistic in the foreseeable future, but when your HC is pushing that agenda the recruiting has to back it up.