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You're right in that continuing a back-and-forth argument online is pointless, but really though?:

So he has had four consecutive years of poor offensive production, but his one year in a non-power 5 conference should prevent us from questioning his ability? That is an awfully long leash you are providing him.

I thought it was painfully obvious that his stop at Auburn where he didn't have the right people for his scheme was painfully obvious, as highlighted in multiple TKP articles such as this.

Further:

Rewatch just about any game over the past three years and you will see an offense that struggles to get out of its own way. I waited three years to write an article this critical of Loeffler, and the reason I finally wrote it was because three years of game tape shows he isn't improving execution.

It's hard to have your team run your scheme when they aren't truly suited for it. We've had a piss-poor OL for the past few years and this year, remarkably, they've made strides forward - so perhaps we should give SL the credit he's due there then. Short of one bad game against Pitt (and even if you include the UNC game), we've done remarkably well in how our OL had done prior to his arrival - so what kind of perfection are you looking for off the bat?

Lastly:

Look at the improvement of execution at Michigan in under a year. An offensive coordinator that can't get his team to do what he wants isn't a good one.

....We're not Michigan. We simply didn't have the talent that they and other high-profile schools have that drag in four-five star talent on a consistent basis.If you have 6'2 220 lb guards then you're gonna have a bad time trying to do anything against a talented DL line. No one said we can't get there, but you need depth to dominate a team completely and we just don't have that. It's simply ridiculous to have expected such a massive turn around and compare us to these type of schools.

Yeah because if we let Bud go, the likely scenario is to see us drop from a top defense to a bottom 1% defense, like the offense wallowed in for years.

If Bud goes, it'll stink, but we'll get by just fine.

trinity Christian maybe a smaller school but its busting out D-1 talent on the regular right now. lets not forget where our very own i.ford came from. there is plenty of scouts keeping an eye on TC and I would think if the kid looked like he was going to be developed into what he is now he would have had a few more offers.

There are other competent coaches for sure. But, the risk of nailing a competent offensive and defensive coach in this hire is greater than having to focus only on offense. We have been bad at offense for so long, we take for granted how good we have been on defense in that same time. We could easily end up tilting the scales but ending up with the same results in the W-L column.

Yep. If there's is no realistic punishment for breaking the rules, the rules aren't really rules.

When you watch UNC and Miami get by with no punishment for what they did, what's really the point in staying 'clean' other than to allow yourself a subjective pat on the back and convenient excuse when you don't win?

More than any rumor, the interviewers last night leads me to believe this is all but a done deal. He asked specifically about the article yesterday, and said the following...

"I don't know Pat Forde," Fuente told reporters Tuesday. "As always, I stand by what we've said since we've been here. If there's something that comes along and there's mutual interest, then we'll have those discussions. Right now, it's time for SMU and trying to get ready to try to win our ninth game of the year."

You don't dodge the question if there isn't something you're trying to hide.

Projecting recruiting is an inexact process. Fuente may recruit very well here, but there isn't data to support that at this point. We also need to see his staff, the guys on his Memphis staff are all Texas or west based.

Intuitively, I agree that Fuente will do about as well as we have been. But back to my original point, that level of recruiting was leaving some cash on the table.

Like Beamers staffs in their heyday, Fuente also has an opportunity to be better at player development than his competition. That seems to his clear strength, you can't do what he did at Memphis unless you are an excellent teacher with schemes that take advantage of your talents. And no matter what, Fuente will have more talent at VT than he has ever seen before....even when he was at TCU.

If Illinois offers and Tech doesn't, it's on Whit, not Bud.

This is my point. I'm not saying Bud shouldn't chase his dreams. I do however think that any coaching change that doesn't retain bud on the sideline in some form could be a mistake. I will concede though that I haven't ever sat down in an interview with Bud like whit has. I trust that if Bud isn't offered the HC position, there are valid reasons. I would hope that whit has a comfortable feeling with where bud stands on his future, and if he is planning to walk out the door, I think that would be a strong motivational factor in considering offering Bud the big whistle. Otherwise, we're starting off clean on both sides of the ball, doubling the risk of a successful hires by needing to build on offense and defense.

I should probably amend my original comment to say that if whit doesn't fight as hard as possible to retain bud, then the premise of being a family doesn't have the same feel to it. I never intended it to mean that Bud shouldn't do what Bud thinks is best for himself.

Talked to a guy that said Fuente has been on campus for interviews 3 times.
The amount of blather out there is just to an incredible level.

No way a coach is seen on campus right now. Besides being right before the end of the season, you know people are watching campus to see if someone enters that's a coach. Everyone wants to break this story.

A couple of notes from Kyle Bailey.

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