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Gary Danielson does play by play in all my nightmares
Oregon has come close
And let's not forget that Oregon's success has come on the back of significant (almost unparalleled) contributions from Nike and Nike's CEO. Nike gets a ton of exposure because of Oregon's national rise, and if Tech had the type of money coming in that Oregon does I would expect Tech to make strides on the field as well.
It's a shame that people are downvoting, because I Miss Tyrod is making valid and respectful points. Downvotes are for disrespectful comments, not for opinions you disagree with.
If we agree that the ultimate goal of the program is to win a national championship, then every decision (including firing Frank) made should be made to increase the likelihood of achieving that goal. I Miss Tyrod, lemme ask you a question that I think cuts to the core of the disagreement. Do you think Beamer is incapable of leading a team to the national championship?
If your answer is Frank Beamer is incapable of winning a national championship then of course your desire to hire a different head coach would be correct. Any coach would improve the programs odds of filling the glass display case because having Frank as head coach would eliminate Tech's chances.
But, if your answer is Frank Beamer is capable of winning a national championship then the real discussion isn't about whether Frank should go, but whether his replacement would improve Tech's chances. Considering at one point in his career Beamer had the lead in the third quarter of the national championship game, I don't think it's insane to say Beamer could get back there.
So I Miss Tyrod, let's see if we can't flesh out this discussion. Do you think Beamer is incapable of winning a national championship in today's CFB landscape? Or do you think that he is capable, but that a replacement could be found who is more likely to win a national championship?
I think (and this is just my opinion) that you have to have a little bit more perspective on where Virginia Tech football has been (pre-1995) and where it is now. A national championship, while a goal of Virginia Tech's, is not the end all, be all. There is more to a program like VTs than chasing a dream of winning the national title.
To find a national title school who is not one of the traditional big football powerhouses (the ones that have had sustained historical success at one point before 1995) you would have to go back to Washington - 1991, Colorado in 1990 and BYU in 1984.
Its amazing to think that we haven't had one of the non traditionals win in almost 25 years - but that's the way the college football landscape is.
Oregon has come close, Boise St came close, Virginia Tech came close.
I would even say that Virginia Tech's recent success is more impressive than the other two schools I mentioned.
What Frank Beamer has done and where he has taken us from is more remarkable than many realize.
I can't even come up with a really fair/comparable example.
Oregon's is closest I could come up with - but their success hasn't been as long and sustained as ours.
BYU's run in the 80s and early 90s would also be comparable. They were fortunate to win a national title before the BCS era - not sure if their strength of schedule would have gotten them one back in the day.
Well respectfully disagreeing, I'd take a crystal ball.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1739903-how-to-build-a-bully-inside-t...
Interesting... mentions time under Gentry as well.... Gentry must do some aspects of this.
You'd have him redshirt even with a year of experience under his belt? I personally don't want to spend another year with a senior QB at the helm. Even being a senior, he obviously has a lot of game-time decisions he needs to develop, and he only has a year to do so. I'd rather have a freshman starter like Aaron Murray and have him be a veteran decision maker by his senior year. Let him grow with the guys we believe are going to take us all the way in the special 2016 year.
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12 years 6 months
# | My 2 cents on the current state of this program (Long Read) Okay, then what did Beamer's personality do in terms of recruiting say, Da'shawn Hand?
You can't nitpick one player and condemn Beamer. Hundreds of other schools missed out on him too, and we were in the running long after he had passed up offers from other schools that have won championships. We'll see how much he plays in a system for which he may not be well-suited. His situation was a strange one, what with the changing major and all. Sure, Saban can talk a big game, and yes he does have a lot of championship rings to pull out, but no one is invincible forever. Maybe Saban is even a better coach than Beamer, but he's got a lot more people that despise him than Frank. I'll take a good guy, having a good amount of success, and doing it the right way, over anyone else.
I bet he drives really fast in crowded parking lots too.
Still disgusted.
There was an article about a month or so ago focusing on Hackenbergs decision to stay committed to PSU as the whole Sandusky thing was being resolved, along with sanctions and what not.
I would take him in a heartbeat, but I would say it is extremely unlikely he would leave there now even with O'Brien going
No way in hell he comes to Blacksburg. He grew up here and I believe a big reason he turned down VT is because he wanted to get out of the NRV.
Haha yes, I haven't personally given him 27 years, he's been coaching longer than I've been breathing, but you understand the point. If he had won a single championship even before I was born I wouldn't be having this discussion.
Okay, then what did Beamer's personality do in terms of recruiting say, Da'shawn Hand? This whole kind and gentle personality doesn't necessarily beat all other recruiting tactics. The best recruiting tactic, regardless of how big of a dick you can be as a head coach, is coming in and laying your national championship ring, or your bowl game ring on the table.
Yes, I'm sure that's a terrible environment to be in, but it's also that sort of attitude that has brought them the past 7 National Championships.
I would take him in a second. He's a beast.
I'm mildly surprised that this is even possible, but the Kyle Fuller loss has seriously been underrated. I think Maryland and UCLA have different storylines with him in there as well.
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12 years 6 months
# | Bitter blog - Five thoughts the day after the Hokies' loss to UCLA in the Sun Bowl I'm cool with it just skeptical.
There are a lot of intriguing what-ifs one can go through each season, but to me it would be a mistake. Why jump into a program that has just recruited two highly-touted QBs? Seems like a big risk in terms of playing time when he's got the inside track on a starting job at a program like PSU (sanctions aside, its tradition is great).
Can I hope he Brandon Merriweathers himself into unconsciousness? Repeatedly? And then a short career because of it?
I also think Durkin could start. I think his threat as a power runner is what drew Loeffler to him. The read option and Veer/IV plays that we've used with Logan would translate well with Durkin. I agree with you that he's probably got a bigger arm than Ford but I think Ford is a more polished passer. Of course, I'm not you or French and I've only seen a couple highlight vids on each player. It's hard to tell with such small sample sizes.
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12 years 6 months
# | My 2 cents on the current state of this program (Long Read) I don't know that you've given him 27 years; you said above you've been following since Glennon was playing. So really it's less than about 8 years...
Anyway, take a step back and consider the perspective. Beamer has not been in a position to succeed for 27 years. He spent the first 10-15 years fighting severe NCAA penalties at a school that had no tradition, no history, and no respect from anyone. We were weak sauce, didn't even play in a real conference, and couldn't sign more than 15 scholarship players per year. His book has an awesome history of what was going on then (I swear I don't work for the publisher, it's just a cool read). He took underdogs in the middle of the 90s to top-tier bowl games. He changed the way special teams is played.
Our program has been attracting talent for a long time, and the vision and plan is getting better. There is great value to Beamer's personality, especially with families. When he shows up to recruit a young man in high school, it is impressive to the family when Frank is able to say, "I care about your son. I care about how he develops as a man first and as a successful football player second. We will take care of him in school." Showy crap like running up scores and that doesn't mean jack to that family.
His reputation will give him the benefit of the doubt in my mind, as well as that of the university administration, until he chooses to leave. Barring scandal, he is in the anomalous position of earning a respectable exit. His players love him. His assistants respect him and consider him a friend. That's a great environment. I'd rather not be like the SEC where everyone is pounding Tums at the end of every game because someone might get crucified after a loss.
I obviously do not have the knowledge to propose the idea, and even if I did, it would be a moot point. All I'm saying is that I've given this coach 27 years to bring us a National Championship and it hasn't happened. Because of that, I'm ready to move on. I'm not afraid of switching coaches and possibly having losing seasons, it very well could happen. I just would rather test the waters to change it up than stay where we are. And I know, we changed up offensive coaches; I just believe it has to be a head coach change to make a drastic difference, because the mentality of the program starts with them. I've never been a fan of Frank's kind nature. Obviously he's a great figurehead, but I prefer the coach that's ready to beat the snot out of every opponent. While most fans didn't appreciate Mora's tactics at the end of the game, I respected the message he was sending - we will continue to beat you even after you've broken. Scoring with a lead doesn't bother me.
I think it's either Ford or Durkin. Durkin is very talented. He's not only a better runner than Ford, he also probably has a bigger arm. It'll be an interesting battle to say the least.
I think Teller will definitely make a strong push to start and I think Alston Smith could make some moves as well... Plus odds are that one of the #FlabFive cracks the starting 5.
I don't think it's reasonable to assume that Tech has the type of pull to get a national championship coach from outside of the program.
This can't be emphasized enough.
I guess my point is that the program isn't stagnating, it is definitely moving in the right direction. Obviously it'll take more than one year for a recruiting class to make it's presence felt on the field and although the schemes have improved DRASTICALLY over last year, Loeffler didn't have the talent at WR that Stinespring did in 2012 (Corey Fuller and Marcus Davis would both have started this year if they had returned).
Also, while some programs have improved in recent years many haven't. Many programs have withered after getting new coaches. IMO, Tech has a much better chance of getting a national championship with Beamer at the helm than they would at getting a replacement. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that Tech has the type of pull to get a national championship coach from outside of the program.
So your nightmares don't make any sense and the character names change from scene to scene?
That doesn't seem so bad....