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Wow.
Trey Edmonds FTW! I really didn't feel like watching Holmes get to the line of scrimmage and fall over anymore.
VT had a mobile QB for a very long time minus the Glennon experiment. "we all know how that went" Logan can run but he is more of a bulldozer vs. somebody like TT or MV who could move around behind the line and extend plays. I really wanted to see Carlis Parker during the spring game for his comparisons to Vick. Remember: Vick was Rs Freshman when he broke out. It's not impossible just improbable.
Uh oh.
Virginia Tech TB Michael Holmes is being held at county jail on 2 counts simple assault, one count malicious wounding. No bail. #Hokies— Mike Barber (@RTD_MikeBarber) April 21, 2013
Let's put things into perspective. I'm not just linking this as a way to say "Hey guys, our opening opponent also had a crappy spring game so the field is a little more level." I'm linking it to say spring football is supposed to be a little shitty. Alabama lost 3/5 offensive linemen and had an awful spring game and they weren't even installing a new offense.
I'm no offensive line expert, but remember what Grimes is working with here. He's not a miracle worker and he's spent the entire spring trying to figure out his best five linemen. We can't expect instant cohesiveness between 5 lineman who have played together very little. Lower your expectations a little.
Really though, could Whitfield be screwing Logan up? Let's play it safe and keep him away.
And our defensive front is going to hold it's own against Bama. Some would even venture to say the front seven and I wouldn't argue that. RVD and Ekanem looked great yesterday.
I think the problem is we have too little "past" to judge when it comes to Leal. Did he move his feet well and buy himself some time to make a nice pass? Sure. But we've seen that from Logan and other QB's, too. Tyrod was a gunslinger. He made it a trademark to scramble and develop things from out of nowhere. Leal had a couple nice passes, that's it. I don't disagree that he might develop into a consistent dual-threat/gunslinger type QB, but nothing I have seen from him has made me feel like that's necessarily going to happen.
Nothing I have seen from him in the past has shown anything to the contrary. The pass he zipped to the sidelines yesterday was on a rope. Wether you like him or not he goes through his progressions confidently and can make things happen with his leggs!!!! A gunslinger --someone who can throw with accuracy and zip while on the run!!!!!! Just plain football terminology!!!!!!
As a die hard tech fan that game was hard to watch. I wonder how the big recruits feel after that showing.
Hand's flying the flag today though.
Woodbridge @thehand54 Da'Shawn Hand having some fun at the #NFTC twitter.com/JacquieFranFOX…— Jacquie Franciulli (@JacquieFranFOX) April 21, 2013
Great article, Mr. Bitter
It's important that we all remember that we can only learn so much about a team from any kind of scrimmage.
/enough said
I've always viewed the ESPN sphere as a medium for watching sporting events first, and its analysis as a tertiary role.
I only posted that video for motivation purposes, but the parallels you point out are very intriguing.
Also, I thought Holmes was clearly more effective then Edmunds yesterday. At this point I may be biased because I feel like the only one who believes in Holmes. However the only time Edmunds looked decent was when he got the benefit of holds. His one long run came behind the very tackle that got called for the hold!
Holmes looked much more willing to take what was available and fight for what few yards he could find. Edmunds was the one who looked tentative and trying to find a hole rather than just pushing forward and try to get something positive.
Leal is many things.
A "gunslinger" he is not.
I agree with everyone that Logan's demeanor was very disappointing. His mechanics were much better and the majority of his passes were actually well thrown, however, sometimes I doubt if he has the intangibles to be an elite QB. His progression through his reads, his pocket presence, and his confidence is shot. His first year as a starter he was not technically sound, but he went out and balled and made plays. My hope is that he spends the next several months becoming more comfortable with his mechanics and receivers and can focus solely on protections and progressions during the game. As far as the rest of the offense goes, I think the hard truth is that there isn't that much talent on that side of the ball. The O-line is not good at this point, and the receivers and TEs are average at best without a real game changer. As for the running backs, I wanted to be impressed with Trey Edmunds, but was left underwhelmed by him. He had two good runs that were negated by penalties, however, he seemed tentative at times and I was expecting much better power based on others reviews (we have been spoiled recently by DW and RW). I think all three running backs are pretty even and each have their own deficiencies. Also, I think the limited playbook had a ton to do with the success of the defense. On the first redzone pick six, we ran the same play 3 times to the left which was ultimately stuffed by DVD. I think Loeffler was trying to prove a point, which he wouldn't do in a game. We also ran the same few passing plays several times and although LT made 2 horrible decisions, the DBs were sitting on those routes because they recognized the play. The only thing that was concerning on the defensive side of the ball was the lack of passion which was a common theme last year. The d-line should have manhandled the patchwork back up o-line. Also, RVD got beat multiple times on the same bootleg play and Manning gave up easy passes to walk on WRs and Qbs.
He's the only proven QB we have, the only one that has won any games, and he's the only one to play in big games. I still think it's absurd to write him off.
Answer could be that talent is generally down all around this team, and the fact that virtually the entire 2010 recruiting class transferred or is buried on the depth chart.
To me, Logan looks like a guy that isn't a natural quarterback. I feel like he has to think way to much when he drops back because it doesn't come natural to him. His inability to go through his progressions I believe is halfway due to the fact that he is more focused on getting each and every aspect of his mechanics right rather than looks to see who is open.
I think that his first year was incredibly successful because he was throwing to two of the greatest receivers Tech has ever had, and it was able to cover up the issues we are seeing today. Now that he's throwing to guys that aren't top notch wide receivers, we see the flaws in his play. It just seems like there is a bit too much thinking in Logan's head, every time he drops back.
Spring ball is supposed to be sloppy, but I don't know about that sloppy. 3 Int's in the first quarter, 2 for pick 6's? Performances like that has got to make you think.... what if?
That is totally true and I think we need to consider the context of this game with his development. And there's no way to know that without being in tte qb meetings. It may be that he's been working on mechanics mechanics mechanics, so the decision making aspect that was so glaring isn't an issue of concern at this point in time.
A I sat there and watched the scrimmage unfold a couple of things stood out to me.
1. Logan came over to the sidelines after each bad throw with his hand held out complaining about the grip. After all the coaches shrugged him off he would then turn and tell anyone who would listen -trainers,team mates etc. I am a Logan fan but this reminded me of something you would see on the 8th grade level.
Although it has been pointed out that leal only completed 3 passes, the plays were called differently which I attribute alot of that to. leal went through his progressions and reads and made things happen and more than that he played with (excitment and enthusiasm). Logan is the guy that we need this year to be able to win ,but Leal is a Gunslinger and can give this team some spark. I would love to see him used in some packages and not to mention we are going to need him next year!
2. I have heard all spring about the new coaches intensity and focus on being tuff. Whatever!!!! I have seen multiple posts were only a quarter of the playbook has been installed and I get that!! What concerns me is I read the quotes many,many times that we are keeping it simple during spring to be able to run those plays to perfection. It has been stated that the defense knew what was coming. And I get that !! but the bottom line is this --- This is division 1 college football!!! if both sides know what is coming then it is nothing less than overpowering and mashing the guy in front of you!!! Loefflers 1st team members should have completely dominated Buds third stringers!!!! And they could not do this in any aspect of the game!!!
I will try and stay positive and chalk this up to we have recruited extremely well on the defenseive side of the ball!!!
In my humble opinion!!
I'm not saying I expect him to instantly become great, but the improvement isn't there. His biggest problem has always been staring down one receiver and that hasn't changed in 2 years. Like Einstein said, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We keep expecting different results with Logan and they're always the same.
And I wasn't saying Mark Leal should start, I was saying to open up the quarterback spot, maybe that's what he needs to improve.
With regard to the pick sixes, from my view in the NEZ:
1st: Logan telegraphed the living shit out of where that ball was going, and then forced a bad pass. Ultimately, I think it was a bad play call on 4th down, but the entire playbook is nowhere close to installed, so I can live with it. Also, had he not been wearing a yellow jersey, I'd like to think Logan runs that one in for 6.
2nd: Again, stared down the receiver, but Stanford was getting mugged. I don't know if the ref just couldn't find a flag, but that was an easy Defensive PI call to me.
thanks to both of yall but the internet were im located is sub par so streaming anything in its entirety would take years its hard enough to look at the clips
You're using different terminology then any I've heard before.
Leal's arm strength isn't one of his best assets. He can throw it accurately, but I've never seen him throw a pass and gone "wow, look at the cannon on that kid".