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    I think LSU will choke more than twice.
    Even if they don't, their second loss will dilute Bama and Oregon's SOS in the computers

I still think VT>FSU>Oklahoma>>Oregon>LSU.

I am not really sure why people are overlooking this scenario when discussing our SOS; in my opinion it's our ace up our sleeves. An undefeated ACCCG matchup between VT-FSU would be collossal and I think the winner goes to the title.

Emotionally the ACC has left a bad taste in people's mouth's for so long I can understand to a point the knee-jerk reaction to leaving the conference out of the title discussion, or at least the motivation to look at ways that VT would actually go with this years SOS. But logically you can thank the lofty pre-season expectations of Oklahoma and Florida State and the fact that one of them is going to win over the other for setting this undeniable scenario up.

Even if the players at Miami buy into the system the program is going to drop off unless Golden can recruit big going forward and in the meantime can be adept at recognizing and developing under-the-radar talent. The recent transfers, suspensions, sub-par recruiting class, Forcier and black eyes will leave Miami in a pretty big hole after this season.

I hope Golden is able to dig the 'Canes out, so they're at least standing on solid ground, but not walking on water like ten+ years ago. Not only for the good of the conference, but primarily because the gate is open and FSU is able to walk into their backyard. (Compound that with Florida's slight drop off and they're loading up.) Without a balance of power in Florida, it will make it harder, but definitely not impossible, for us to continue running the ACC. I think Beamer Co. saw the writing on the wall, in more ways than one, and knew he had to adjust to stay ahead of the game.

And, this needed to happen eventually.

Whoops- forgot to mention Bowl. I think we will win either game we go to (won't get Stanford again). Honestly, I think we match up well with most other top three conference teams in the country this year. Hoping for a NCG but realistically another BCS win would make it a solid year, particularly from where we will be starting (#16-#22 is what I'm seeing in most places).

Totally agree on all points about ACC/Pac-12 argument. The Orange Bowl Stanford blow-out/embarrassment is going to kill any hope if it comes down to an undefeated ACC team (particularly Virginia Tech and minus FSU due to preseason hype and big bowl win against an SEC Division Champion last year- shows they can beat a top three SEC team which Oregon could not do (though South Carolina was no Auburn as the SECCG showed)) and an undefeated Pac-12 team. A resounding BCS bowl loss such as that stays in the minds of people for a while, particularly a team who was undefeated in Conference play as VT and blew through the schedule and Conference Championship Game a year ago

Though I obviously would love to see VT play in the NCG (and think it is an OUTSIDE possibility) I just don't think it will happen this year even if we go undefeated. I think, even with the two representatives starting so far down the ranking totem poll last year, we won't have enough quality wins against top 25 teams (let alone any top 10 wins- probably only one opportunity against FSU- hope UM beats OSU but even with all the suspensions I think Miami will find a way to lose that game) and will start too low in preseason top 25- a ton of upsets had to occur last year for Auburn and Oregon (who started #11 last year- needed a ton of help to get to #1/#2) to get to the NCG...upsets I don't see happening again this year.

My prediction is 12-2, ACC Coastal Champions, BCS At Large (Sugar Bowl- depending on SEC/Pac-12 results) or Chick-Fil-A Bowl. Two losses, as I said in other posts, are toss ups but I will take a shot in the dark: UNC (on my birthday...usually lose those minus in '07 against UM) and FSU in ACCCG. Don't see us losing to Miami or GT- new qb/rb at GT and it will take the Canes a year to buy into the new system brought in by Al Golden and 'attitude.' Apparently, everyone has not totally bought in due to an arrest or two already this off-season. BC will pose a huge threat but that will be a measuring stick game as it usually is and UVA should be, though tougher than in years past, another 'w'. I also agree with people about Clemson- I think they're getting waaaaay too much hype for a new QB and a totally new offensive scheme. That will take at least a year to become one hundred percent effective especially with personnel recruited for another type of slower paced offense. Dabo is a hell of a coach though and I'm sure it will work out for them in the future. I also think Duke will be a tougher game than normally just because the last couple we've gotten some serious fits from their offense.

Timing matters. That would be VT beating UNC and FSU in the last month. Oregon? Not sure who they would have left.

Computers love the deep ACC

That would be Oregon beating LSU in essentially an away game in Arlington, TX then beating Stanford and Arizona in away games later in the season as well as the Pac-12 championship game. Add in the factor that Oregon gets a higher profile/bullhorn because of Phil Knight then I think Oregon would definitely get in over VT in the championship game.

1. Florida State beats Oklahoma and goes undefeated in the regular season.
2. Oregon beats LSU and goes undefeated winning the Pac-12 Championship.
3. Alabama beats LSU and goes undefeated winning the SEC Championship.
4. We go undefeated and beat Florida State a now one loss Florida State in the ACC Championship.

How do the chips fall?

My guess would be 1) Alabama 2) Oregon 3) Virginia Tech. Both Alabama and Oregon would have the advantages of a marquee non-conference win, have played in a better conference* and pre-season poll bias.

I agree we would need as big of a matchup as possible against FSU, but everyone above us losing would be gravy.

*People will make the ACC > Pac-12 argument, but based on last year I don't think it is close.

In addition to revealing Willenbrock's commitment, Rivals.com also mentioned Tech commitment Donaldven Manning is strongly considering Miami. Manning, a 5-10, 163-pound cornerback who was the second recruit for the '12 class to commit in February to Tech, is being referred to as a soft commitment to the Hokies.

http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/college/accblog/2011/05/virginia_te...

Why's Manning eyeing Miami? I know when Tennessee came calling he told them he was solid on Tech.

There was so many plays that Nesbitt made and I just don't see Washington being able to make those plays as well as if I remember correctly they lost a few oline from last year too as well as having a new RB.

With Boston College just feels like they have a good chance to be undefeated before they play us with that schedule. Think their D should be pretty stout and Kevin Rogers should be able to improve that offense. If they are undefeated at that point of the year I feel there is a chance they are ranked just cause of their being a lack of undefeated BCS conference teams at that point in the season.

OU is stacked and most likely beats FSU but I just have a feeling about that team down in Tallahassee and also feel like Bob Stoops is due for at least one big game let down every year. I think FSU with EJ Manuel and also their defense being in the second year of the scheme could provide the big upset.

Really, we need to pull for Miami, FSU, and UNC to have good years. Maybe an outside chance that GT is ranked but honestly, I think the PJ ship has sailed. He's going to struggle to recruit talent to that system.

The only thing we can do is win and then play it out with FSU (really, couldn't have an easier path in the Atlantic) in December. I'm not as sold on FSU as others... while I think they will have a really good team, I don't think they are capable of knocking off OU. OU is stacked and we got to hope everyone between OU and us loses.

I based them on the chance VT wins in each individual game, and the chance the mentioned teams win in each individual game.

The big thing in this hypothetical national title run is that we have to root hard for FSU to be undefeated which would make them the #2 team in the country in the ACCCG game with wins against Oklahoma and Florida. If FSU is undefeated it means Oklahoma isn't. If we are undefeated going into the ACC title game we should be top 5 with the premise that Miami, BC, and UNC were ranked when we played them and there aren't more than 5 undefeated teams.

We would have to hope that a top 5 team beating the #2 team in the country in the last prime time game of the season would rise VT up to #2.

Quick look at top 7 each of them have a game against a fellow top 7 team like Oregon plays LSU and FSU vs. Oklahoma then of course conference matchups. A lot of teams ahead of us matchup against each other.

Another major item we need to consider is what will the teams ranked above us to start the season do. Even though Oregon and Auburn started last season outside the preseason top 25, they were the only two BCS teams to finish undefeated. If Ohio State beats Wisconsin, one of the two isn't in the championship game. We'll fly too low under the radar to jump any team starting in the top five. So if say Oklahoma and Alabama run the table, it might not matter what we do at all.

Here's a composite preseason top 25 via EDSBS

1. Oklahoma
2. Alabama
3. LSU
4. Oregon
5. Florida State
6. Oklahoma State
7. Stanford
8. Boise State
9. Arkansas
10. Texas A&M
11. Ohio State
12. Nebraska
13. South Carolina
14. Michigan State
15. Wisconsin
16. Notre Dame
17. Arizona State
18. TCU
19. Mississippi State
20. Virginia Tech
21. West Virginia
22. Florida
23. Auburn
24. Missouri
25. Texas

I really don't know what the metrics would be on the percentages. I kind of looked at it a game at a time and just added the assumption of no major injures which is a huge assumption. The schedule projection of course was supposed to be hypothetical if everything worked out right for VT. Feel like its subjective but see your percentages as slightly conservative but definitely realistic. I've never really thought about the best method to get percentage probability of a team going undefeated, how did you come up with your numbers?

For BC on their schedule with that defense I like them a lot higher than 8% undefeated before VT considering who the play but also I think Clemson is going to be pretty bad and BC could will have big improvement. If they get past central Florida as they should I think they are undefeated for VT.

I like FSU a ton this year if they get past Oklahoma and do think they most likely win the ACC as everyone else does think. With Florida and Oklahoma on the schedule I could see that percentage but would put it higher.

I think your percentage of Miami is pretty spot on. Really don't know what type of Miami team it will be until they play Maryland. I think Miami if they focus on running behind their massive oline and avoid Princess Jacory throwing interceptions they can beat a weakened Ohio State team. I could see VT potentially losing to Miami this year especially if depth at DT doesn't develop quickly with VT probably needing a true freshman to be able to contribute at the interior of the DL.

Really interesting post.

If I may add some thoughts.

  • I have FSU with a 5% chance of going 12-0.
  • "" "" VT "" " 9% chance of going 12-0
  • I give Miami a 24% chance of being perfect before the VT game.
  • I give BC only an 8% chance of being undefeated before VT.

    Thoughts?

  • don't have to worry about not beating out any other guy that has verbaled. staff will find room for those 2. probably same for holsey, especially as manning is a soft commit making goo goo eyes to miami.

    You'd like to hope they would - Wahee was a desperation offer from UVA in hopes of landing the NCS guys. It worked with Moore, but sources are indicating that Wynn is almost 99% VT at this moment. Who's to say that that can't change, but I feel good about our chances with Wynn.

    Eddie Goldman - man, I hadn't looked up that guy before. Guy has NFL size right now. I have a hard time thinking we can sway the five-star defensive lineman types from other schools. I'm really high on Kirven and Sheldon Day, I think the two of them would be huge for this class.

    I'm a little concerned about our chances with some of the guys left on the board. Caleb, Prosise, and Holsey are all high-value recruits, but we are starting to max out our WR/DB commitments. Same with Stefon Diggs. I don't want our current solid commits to prevent us from nabbing some really great ones.

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