NFL Draft Talk

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Daniel Jones has flown up the draft boards. Rumors are that the Skins are trying to trade into the top 5 to get him before the Giants at 6. They have also been rumored to like Haskins as well.

No one knows what the Raiders are going to do as well. They could take a QB or just take another presumably defensive player at their spot.

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Well I did say he was the best QB VT played last year...

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I really wish you had participated in our Mock draft. I would have loved to hear your insight to the picks you made.

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He would have drafted all OL...lol

Not this year. I do not like this class. DL litter the top of my board.

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Wait, why? Jones, while serviceable, is no where near a round 1 pick.

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He's tall, white, has good intangibles, learned from David Cutcliffe, and "looks like a quarterback." These are all terrible reasons, but this is what the NFL does.

Its amazing how the same NFL teams make the same exact mistakes over and over again

Those teams usually have the same owner...daniel cough cough....synder....man I hope all of this smoke is just smoke....if there's a fire I will hand in my Skins fandom card......😒

Something tells me that Haskins and Jones career will be linked for the rest of their careers if the draft plays out this way.

If the redskins trade up to the top 5 for Jones I'm gonna lose my ish...

February..'96...the steak: ribeye, the whiskey:Lagavulin 16, the lady next to me: a bit**.....

Same. I recently moved to Fl and I think if they mortgage the future again for a QB in this weak class, I'm done and I'll root for a local team down here.

I live in San Diego, and even though the chargers left.. if the skins mortgage the future... I'll "Bolt Up"

February..'96...the steak: ribeye, the whiskey:Lagavulin 16, the lady next to me: a bit**.....

Tyrod and Facyson are Chargers, that should be enough.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

This is true. That would make it tolerable if I have to give up my Skins.

February..'96...the steak: ribeye, the whiskey:Lagavulin 16, the lady next to me: a bit**.....

Do you ever eat at Simply Fresh?

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I can't say that I've ever eaten there.

February..'96...the steak: ribeye, the whiskey:Lagavulin 16, the lady next to me: a bit**.....

One of my best friend's from Tech runs the business. He's a regular at Bub's as well.

He's from Louisiana, and the food is fantastic!

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or Haskins....or Murray....there isn't a QB in this draft worth that cost.....

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

When you have a weak QB class you end up with desperate, stupid picks. Looking at you Christian Ponder.

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Blaine Gabbert on line 2.

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This is a guy who completed 50.7 percent of his passes with three touchdowns and nine interceptions in his three career starts against Virginia.

Always love finding random UVA burns in the wild.
I also stopped caring about the skins recently, but if they trade UP to draft Daniel Jones, they are really truly dead to me

Prediction: Murray is either going to be fantastic for a year and then fall back to earth (ie Robert Griffin and likely Lamar Jackson) or he will be a bust right out of the gate. I have a hard time believing that a skinny, run-first QB that is 5'10" in cleats will have longevity in the league.

(*Edit* Calling him a "run-first QB" isn't what I meant in this post. I used the incorrect terminology. What I meant was that he is a better runner than passer.)

The one QB that will have a long career is Will Grier, and it will mostly be spent as a back-up.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Murray is not a run first QB. He has the ability to run. If it wasn't for Tua we would be talking about how insane his completion percentage is as he beat the record set by Mayfield the year before.

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So, is the completion percentage due to the QB or the system he was in? All I know is that when I see "highlights" of Murray I see a lot of running and not a lot of tight spirals into tight windows or NFL caliber throws.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

He throws great into spaces, and yes he has an accurate strong arm. He can throw the ball with a flick of a wrist AND he is accurate.

Check out this video. It's not all about Murray, but I think you will see some of things you are looking for:

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Fantastic video, thanks for sharing.

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At a minimum he is incredible at both, there's no doubting he has the arm talent. There are countless highlights of him throwing 50 yard ropes with perfect placement.

Watch the video and you'll see how he is able to do this and why Kliff wants him in Zona. He gets the system and knows how to throw to were the space is on the field.

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So, would you say that you agree or disagree with French's assessment?

"Murray- sorry, doesn't throw well enough, and while he is mobile, he isn't as mobile as Vick or Wilson"

Not saying that I am not convinced, I'll just have to watch the videos posted above later, as I cannot watch them on my work computer.

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"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Check out the stats. He was just behind Tua with 15 more pass attempts.

I think he would be a perfect fit for Kliff in AZ. He wouldn't have to learn a brand new system, just the nuances of Kliff's which is becoming very prominent in the NFL these days.

My only concern is his longevity, as he is so small he could get injured easily if he doesn't protect his body in the NFL.

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The NFL isn't about high arcing throws, or lobbing accurately into space. It is shorter, tight throws driven into very small spaces. I haven't seen those kind of throws on the type of intermediate move the chains type routes which NFL teams thrive on. I may be wrong, and I have been before (I thought Sam "Jon Kitna Jr" Darnold would be a bust because his mechanics were whacked out, but he was very good.)

I may end up being wrong. But to me, he is much more likely to be a bust than be a star. Hopefully, I am wrong and he invigorates football in the desert.

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When you are talking Darnold's mechanics are you talking about his feet placement. There was a ton of talk about that last year?

From what I have read, that's what makes him a special QB. When things get bad in his legs, he can still throw the ball accurately.

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Didn't reset his feet well after moving in the pocket, and had a very long delivery. He tightened it up and looked pretty good.

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I think, as a GM, you have to understand not only this class, but also future classes when making decisions. To me, the high value positions in the NFL are: QB, LT, CB, DE, and DT.

This is a lousy class for top end QBs and pass blocking offensive tackles. Corner is a position I struggle with evaluating more than most, but I don't see many corners that blow me away. This is a draft where you load up on defensive line.

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Murray- sorry, doesn't throw well enough, and while he is mobile, he isn't as mobile as Vick or Wilson

Haskins- Static pocket guy. I love his arm and you can't dismiss his productivity. However, is he Big Ben, or is he Byron Leftwich? His release is a little slow. He isn't mobile in the pocket, despite being a good runner. And I don't know, given tOSU's very simplified passing game system, how good his reads are. To me, he isn't a guy you use a first rounder on.

Devin White- I don't care how good he is. You don't draft an inside linebacker with a first round pick.

Jawaan Taylor- He looks the part, but doesn't play the part. His fundamentals are doo-doo. Think the Koundijo kid who came out of Alabama. He looked like Tarzan, but got whipped by JR Collins head to head all night. Collins didn't even end up as an Arena League starter.

Rashaun Gary- another guy with all the talent, but wants to be an edge guy and not a one gap DT. He isn't an edge guy. To me, he is a more hyped Andrew Brown.

Christian Wilkins- he got more attention than he deserves because of how he was used offensively. Dexter Lawrence was the guy who made Clemson's DL go. I think Wilkins will be serviceable, but he won't be a difference maker. Lawrence is higher risk, but if he is in shape, he is a difference maker.

Clenlin Farrell- Heck of a player and a Virginia kid who was almost a Hokies. He has a potential chronic knee issue which I think could derail him. Also, Clemson, like Alabama, makes it tough to evaluate kids. They have so much talent around them that they never have to overcome scheme adjustments (like double teams) in college. Call it the Matt Leinert effect for defensive linemen. I hope I am wrong because I have only heard good things about the kid.

The high value picks:

Dexter Lawrence- if you need a two gap DT, he is your guy. He is more talented than Williams from Alabama. Weight and performance enhancers hurt his standing.

Brian Burns- this is a situational pick. If you can take him as a 3rd down pass rushing edge guy with his hand down, he is a terrific pick. If you are taking him to be a 3-4 OLB, he has speed but looks lost a bunch. To me, I play him as a 4-3 end and deal with some of his lack of size against the run.

Zach Allen from Boston College- he was the best player on film VT played this year, slightly edging out Jerry Tillery. Both guys will be high value and have good careers as one gap DTs. Allen could also play a 3-4 five tech, which is why I mentioned him first. Tillery could be a star, but Allen, in the right situation, is a guy who will become a real fixture for some team.

Jerry Tillery- see above

Josh Allen- I don't know if you can say "high value" about a consensus Top 5 guy. I love Allen's film- think a bigger, stronger, faster version of Trevon Hill with more production. He plays with great speed and uses leverage really well. I like him as a nickel DE and a 3-4 OLB who you try to keep out of coverage. If a 3-4 team drafts him and he is out chasing receivers like Burns from FSU was two years ago, that coach should be kicked in the balls.

Finally, I am rooting hard for Ricky Walker. I think his best fit with be as a 3-4 five technique where his size and mobility can be leveraged effectively. I really hope a team which has a history of using big DEs from a 3-4 (Belicheck anyone?) pulls the trigger on him. I think he played hurt this year, and it really hurt his stock.

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Thanks for the insight French.

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Just mine. I am sure most GMs probably have a different take. But if you are good at those positions, you can be very average at others and still win a ton of games.

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I was reading an article about cost vs production in the NFL. QB, Oline, and DL are what you need to take in first round due to the contract structure. LB was next, but grouped OLB and ILB, which is probably driven up by pass rushing OLBs. CB was a break even position, basically CBs get paid what they are worth. WR and RB were the worst and you should take them first round because you can get cheap production from those positions.

Everyone can see that LT, QB and DE get paid thr most, but a lot of times that's tied to what people think and not what is actually true. But in terms of players actual playing capability verse the salaries of was quite interesting top watch the data play out.

Yes, because of the pre-determined rookie salary slots, you are getting better positional value taking a pass rusher in the top-five than a RB. This is why even though I love my Giants having Saquon, I did not love my Giants taking Saquon when the next few picks went QB, CB, DE, G, QB.

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I have done a Analytical analysis that they should probably only keep him for 2 more seasons past his rookie contract. If they make him the #1 paid guy the production from the position dips significantly.

So if you are real smart about drafting a RB high, it makes no sense to extend them and pay them.

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The thinking on ILBs is changing if they are good enough in coverage. Having a player on defense who isnt a liability when your james whites and david johnsons motion out as receivers is huge for a defense and is only going to be more importsnt as time goes.

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I can acknowledge that. The game is always changing. But, I still haven't seen an ILB who means the difference between Ws and Ls yet. Even LK in Carolina is a guy who, if he is out, the defense isn't going to take a huge leap backwards. Pass rush, dominance at DT, and press man win championships.

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Having seen the Carolina defense when Luke was having concussion issues, I'd have to disagree there.

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Absolutely. Kuechly is the QB of that defense and seems to know what play is coming before everyone gets out of the huddle.

Kuechly is a LB though, White is an athlete. White is super faster and excellent and shedding blocks, but he can't tackle (which can be taught) and he doesnt read plays very well. He is out of position a lot, even on his highlights. He makes up for it in college due to his speed. That's got to be a huge worry. Though he has only played LB for 3-4 years.

Dexter Lawrence- if you need a two gap DT, he is your guy. He is more talented than Williams from Alabama.

This is a scorching hot take. I am interested to hear why you think this, as pretty much everyone has Williams as the #1 or 2 overall prospect.

Dude had like 20 TFL and I believe double digit sacks playing nose in a 3-4. I watched him play many times last year and he was a menace always.

''Twas close: 71 tackles, 19.5 TFL, 8 sacks.

And Lawrence was overweight. I think talent wise, he is the better guy.

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Same issue I have with all Bama defenders. There is so much talent that offenses can't scheme against one guy. All the DL Bama has produced recently have been quietly solid players. You don't use a top pick on "quietly solid."

I didn't know anything about the foot injury for Lawrence (I tune out to NFL stuff.) I am evading based on what I have watched. Lawrence, before the weight gain, would have been my top pick. He hurt himself with the weight gain, which limited his effectiveness. So his stock fell.

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Isn't that also a question with Lawrence? I mean the Clemson D line has just as much, if not more talent.

I think the reason why Lawrence is valued so much lower is that he's a nose tackle, which is a dying position in the NFL. He has some pass rush upside, but if you're drafting an interior lineman early, teams are going to want pass rush and three down production.

Clemson DL last season was definitely superior. Isaiah Buggs was productive but less talented than previous Bama ends and Raekwon Davis had a disappointing season that led to his return for this season. Quinnen was double teamed a lot and I watched him beat a lot of double teams with incredible power, and skill, particularly the way he used his arms. Clemson's DL was better overall and deeper with guys like Xavier Thomas and Albert Huggins for starter-level depth. Just how things play out. Bama was unusually thin at DL and rush OLB (bad injury luck) last year. Just the nature of attrition in CFB.

I don't claim to be an expert, but he was the most talented (And productive at nose) Bama DL I can remember in the Saban era. His hype is justified for me, especially since his size and play style would allow him to transition well into a 4-3 as a 3 tech if that's where he ended up. He wasn't the traditional, massive 2 gap Nose like a Terrance Cody or Vince Wilfork.

Oh for sure, he's a better 3T fit. I thought Raekwon Davis played nose for Alabama last year anyway. But I could be wrong

Raekwon played 5t DE, but it can be misleading based on their alignments. After 2014 Saban added a lot of different looks and pass rush alignments so it can be easy to think Raekwon is on the inside based on how the Jack or Rush OLB lines up beside them. Raekwon certainly has the size of a traditional nose.

Dexter Lawrence has a potentially chronic foot issue, which can be even worse than a knee, especially for a guy who plays at 340-350. I'd take Quinnen Williams over any DL in this class all day.

You think Mook has a chance to make it in the NFL or did the System make him that good. He was a PFF top rated nickel cornerback before he departed Tech?

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In the NFL, he has to be a corner. He doesn't have the range to be a safety, and not sure if he has the quick hips to be a nickel. I don't think I would be in a rush to take him, but as the draft progresses and need arises, he may be a good system fit who can also help on teams.

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I could see him being a late round flyer. I wonder what his stats were like at the Junior College he was at last season.

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Nothing great because he only played in a few games I believe before his apartment caught on fire.

As a Browns fan I am all out of whack not playing the Super Bowl during the first round of the draft. What do I do with my hands? How does any of this work? The preseason doesn't really matter? I should keep my hopes up past week 4? I mean what the hell is going on here?!?!?

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That's easy, you just yell at your TV as the early round guys you wanted your team to pick get taken

I am going to lose my voice, the Browns first pick is #49.

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Woke up this morning and mentally prepared myself for the 'Skins to make a boneheaded trade up tonight while not addressing the teams needs. Thanks Dan.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Its still Interesting to me that Carolina has a #1 pick and they could use it on Murray. it doesn't make much sense since they already have Rosen. Some Analyst say they should move down and get some extra picks to build the team for other needs.

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It's the coaching change. There isn't much invested in Rose, and Murray has the it factor.

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Carolina has a #1 pick

Who now?

I think Murray is the best QB in the draft and will be a very good player, but Arizona could pull a Carolina move a la Jimmy Clausen/Cam Newton and still come out ahead. I am sure they want to trade down, but I don't think the Giants are willing to make the moves to come up to first overall. I don't know if there is another team that wants/needs a QB bad enough. Dolphins? Broncos?

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A part of me just died reading this

I don't follow? Did I miss something? I was unaware that Flacco had gone to the Broncos when I wrote this, is that it or are you still not over the Panthers using their first pick in back-to-back years on the same position. I think Cam Newton has been worth it.

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First off, this: Carolina has a #1 pick

Second: Clausen was drafted in the middle of the 2nd round, big difference than going back-to-back #1 pick overall

Third: I had to sit through and watch that monstrosity of a season and watch Clausen's throw three touchdowns......THREE! Mel Kiper technically should of retired by now after his statement about him. His stats make Rosen look like a Pro Bowler.

I hate that frosted tip, balloon forehead, fumbling ass hole.

Ahhh my bad, I thought Clausen was a first rounder

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As a Panthers fan who has been too busy to keep up with the NFL lately, this comment made me shit my pants.

Haskins to the Raiders is also picking up steam.

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I don't watch a ton of NFL but is everyone throwing in the towel on Carr? Or did that injury really just derail him that bad?

Throwing the towel in.

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Apparently the Jets have a trade in place for the #3 pick if Williams is there

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Oh, please, Lord, let it be the Falcons!

On second thought, no. But trading up to five for Oliver will work for me!

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When full draft is done I'll have the 2019 Hokies in the Pros board up.

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If the Cards haven't traded Rosen by now, then his value just dropped.

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I hope the Vikings get him for a 3rd or something. We can give him time to develop.

Murray will be great as long as he stays healthy.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

How likely is that?

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Not very. He'll be good for a few years like RGIII then fall off.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

IDK, does Murray really fit the air raid system that Kingsbury runs? I think French had a good take above. I don't see him being able to make those short to intermediate throws (very quickly mind you) into some very tight spaces.

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Yes. Watch the video that VTFootballGrad posted above. Problem is, so does Rosen. Even if the Cards get a 2nd for him, they've list a round of value, which is huge (especially when they had the first pick). They could've had Bosa or Q Williams and Rosen, vs Murray and a 2nd round talent.

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That was unexpected. Giants have a shot at Allen or Oliver. I'm pumped!

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WELP

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Raiders gonna raider.

Has any team with so much NFL talent done as little as anOSU the last 10 years?

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Miami, Florida State

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They won a National Championship. I think that honor belongs to Miami or someone of that ilk.

Only UF has had as many top NFL picks and not been in the playoff almost every year.

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They won it all in 2014, and they win like 11 games every year.

It's not Bama level success, but I don't think they squander talent.

what?

The past ten years look like this...

3 Fiesta Bowls (1-2)
2 Rose Bowls (2-0)
2 Sugar Bowls (2-0)
1 Gator Bowl (0-1)
1 Orange Bowl (0-1)
1 Cotton Bowl (1-0)
and 1 National Championship

I think they did pretty well, better than most teams in last 10 years

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Better than most with that many NFL 1st round players isn't what they or UF should be.

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I think their bowl appearances and wins (plus the national Championship) warrant the number of NFL players they have had.

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I like Mike Mayock because he usually rated our corners very highly when he was a Draft analyst for NFL.com. Pretty sure he had Brandon Flowers as the #1 corner in the 2008 draft.

Thank god Ferrel is gone so we dont have to hear the bs story cycled against us about how we didnt want him

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Two years ago I thought Daniel Jones would be a good NFL QB, but I feel like he regressed since then.

You could argue duke as a whole has regressed after their run 2 years ago. Dunno what the giants are doing going for him that high up

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of all the highlights to show from our game......

I can't believe this shit

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Well the Giants screwed all you Redskins fans again, could have finally had a fandom last straw

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Oh Giants. Gobble gobble, maybe they can trade him for a first in a few years!

They are gonna stink for awhile

Gettleman is just trying to build towards winning the 2006 super bowl.

edit: AZHokie, does your scenario imply that the Giants are going to win a Super Bowl with Daniel Jones being the MVP? If so, I'll take it. But I hate this pick.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I honestly have no idea what Gettleman is doing. I loved Bill Barnwell's tweet to the effect of :

"The Giants traded Damon Harrison and Odell Beckham Jr. to draft a replacement for Damon Harrison."

Gettleman is an Old School, Throwback Scout who somehow stumbled into multiple general manager positions by talking about Old School, Throwback Football things like Toughness And Grit. While there's something to be said for having a locker room that actually likes each other (e.g. getting rid of Eli Apple and Bobby Hart, etc), the idea of Building A Culture and Getting Our Guys In The Building is way overrated in team building relative to other things like, say, Having Talent, An Effective Scheme, and Maximizing Assets.

Not to mention saying things like "Football evolves. The game evolves. The style of play evolves. But there are three truths that have not changed and will not change. OK? You have to run the ball. You have to stop the run. And you have to rush the passer."

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Gooble Gooble Gobble Gobble, take this Giant's fan survey that I created earlier today.

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Gooble Gooble

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TE went way before any of us Mockers had him lol.

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So did Daniel Jones

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TJ Hockenson is the closest thing the league has seen to Gronk since he got drafted. I know Gronk's recieving numbers were down this past year but he was dominant in the running game. I don't think people know how rare it is to find a TE that can be a gamechanger blocking and recieving. Thats why it cracks me up seeing Kelce mentioned as the best TE in the league. Dude doesn't like blocking. Having a guy that can do both completely changes an offense. Not surprised to see Patricia take TJ after how hard they apparently tried to trade for Gronk last year.

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Is there anything more Iowa than having potentially two TE's drafted in the 1st round of the same draft?

Dammit, Bills!

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Holy smokes, the Bengals made a good pick!

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Why no love for Ricky?

How will Washington F this up?

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I think the Haskins pick is a terrible one. There's no way he thrives as an NFL QB in Gruden's system.

Is it basketball season yet?

ESPN's graphics guy needs to look at a map. Just highlighted the WV panhandle and said it was Ashburn.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Was that FSU's one good highlight against us?

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I watched a vid on Twitter the other day of Brian Burns getting blocked into neighboring counties regularly.

And who was that blocking him?

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It was a compilation of many tackles blocking him

I'm assuming Yosh was one of them

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I don't remember, but I bet he was haha.

Oh, look, another highlight against us

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You know not to expect a highlight in our favor until we get a player drafted, right?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I am aware, but surely these players have highlights against teams other than us

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Ugh, still underwhelmed about Lindstrom.

*sigh*

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Anyone else think Booger McFarland sounds exactly like comic Anthony Anderson?

Booger is the absolute worst. I turned on ABC to watch the College Gameday Crew because of Booger. It was way more enjoyable.

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Booger!

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Panthers fanbase seems pretty divided on the Brian Burns pick, but personally I like it. He came to the combine relatively beefed up and still maintained his athleticism. Rivera says he's going to take a bigger role with a defense this year, and as the DC in San Diego he used a lot of 3-4 fronts. Rumor is that Carolina is going to transition to a more hybrid front this year and we had basically zero edge rushers capable of handling the OLB role in a 3-4 before signing Bruce Irvin and making this pick. Burns produced well on a bad team. I'm excited about his speed.

Lot of people wanted OL, but I don't see many worth reaching for in this draft. Figure Hurney will go after Greg Little in the 2nd.

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I've seen people more positive than negative about the pick. I like it personally, especially considering that he has a bigger frame than Everette Brown(a lot of people are comparing the two, only thing they have in common is they both went to FSU) and he can add weight. I'm expecting Burns and Haynes to be the two "Screaming Eagles" off the edge..

I'm still trying to decided if they should go with OL or S in the second round...i didnt think Adderly would make it to the 2nd round...but he's my second favorite safety next to Savage..

Hoping Burns can fill the Frank Clark/Dee Ford mold for us. Think he's still a little raw, but I'm expecting him to be a serious contributor by year 3.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Gonna go ahead and pat myself on the back for that prediction.

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19 of the First rounders are Oline or Dline, 8 of the 13 skill position players are under 6' tall

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Whit needs to hire the person/people running UMBC twitter. They are doing it right. It would definitely be an upgrade over what we have.

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My interest in the NFL is way down from years ago but as a kind of Skins fan I think they did well. I would prefer Rosen over Haskins but wanted Sweat at 15 and to trade 2 2nds for Rosen so all in all winding up with Sweat and Haskins for 2 2nds is pretty close to what I was hoping for. Im guessing tye Cardinals wanted way too much for Rosen, otherwise he would be traded by now.

And now they will get next to nothing for him, as there is no team that's gonna give them a big trade package for a guy they already know the Cardinals can't keep.

They really should have traded out of that #1 pick and made a go with Rosen to at least see if he could play a bit. That Cardinals team is BAD and the kid had no chance last year (bad coach, bad O line, when your best receiver is shell of his former self Fitzgerald). They have way too many holes they need to fill and I'm not sure QB was one of them at #1.

But its all good, I do not like nor do I cheer for the Cards, so if they keep stinking I am fine with it.

Went to bed around pick 25 or so, only to wake up and find out Atlanta had moved back up into the first, ending up with the best OG in the draft and a solid OT, at the cost of both Day 2 picks. And with reports that they are planning to trade back up into the third with some of their seven (!) Day 3 picks, if they do that and get an EDGE or CB, I think I'll be okay about the top half of the draft.

Having a solid OL for once is going to be a game changer.

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Found a great article about McGarry, the OT the Falcons moved back into the first round to get, and why (a) he fits well in the Falcons' scheme, and (b) his ceiling may be higher than some evaluators may realize. Lots of interesting OL evaluation that talks about going against conventional wisdom on tackle technique. Would love to see French's take on this OL evaluation.

https://www.cover1.net/nfl-draft-player-evaluation-scheme-technique/

And as I'm posting this, the folks on SiriusXM's NFL channel are talking about how the Falcons nailed the first round, and got two guys that can start for the next ten years, as long as the Falcons can pay them.

I'm stoked.

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This is not about his play, but is a really good article about his story. He's had a tough life, but seems like a great kid

Link

Holy crap did the Redskins win the first round or what!!! How did that happen? Is this real life??

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I read a great Winners/Losers of the first round

Winner: Redskins
Loser: Dwayne Haskins for havin to
go to the Skins

Look at the video of him getting the call. He hangs his head a bit before holding the phone up to show it's the Redskins. Was that relief at it finally being over......or disappointment?

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I don't see it this way at all.

I don't think Haskins will thrive under Jay Gruden. Bad for Haskins, bad for the Skins.

Is it basketball season yet?

Because they got 2nd round talent I the first round?

Beacuse when every other team is going with the tread of mobile QBs the skins buck the trend and pick a statue that would have been great in a dink and dunk system in the mid 90s?

I'm not sure if skins have yards after catch receivers but they are going to need them.

2nd round talent?? Lol. That is laughable.

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I'm not really sold on him, he does one thing really well, get the ball out of his hand very quickly. This will help him do well if his coaches realize that.

He is very raw as a QB. He has 1 year starting, which doesn't bode well for gifs NFL career. He got baited into too many bad throws, which comes with practice, he didn't audible, Ryan Day did that for him. With his lack of athleticism compared to most of the QBs drafted in the first round, I would want to see more from reading defenses, he doesn't really have the mobility to escape the pocket and make something happen when the play breaks down, so he has to read the defense to bail out of the play.

Only 3 QBs were first round draft picks than were slower than him, Patrick Ramsey (skins) , Sexy Rexy (bears), and Phillip Rivers (drafted by New York).

I would like to see one draft board of a respected draft analyst that had either Haskins or Sweat outside the top half of the first round. By any measure you want to use.. the skins knocked the first round out of the park. Most analysts seem to agree with that. And I am usually extremely critical of our drafting habits.

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Most people felt that Haskins would go in the top 10, just because he's one of the top (at least 3) in the class. But many analysts had a 2nd rd grade on him. Doesn't mean he's a bad pick.

A lot of people were saying Sweat would slide due to his heart condition, so back half of the first or earl second was expected. I would say the Redskins had a good draft. They got two potentially very good players, which you should do if you have 2 first round picks. That being said, they didn't have to give up too much to get the extra pick. But it's not like they had a home run day 1.

Usually, the best OT in the draft doesn't fall to the 22nd pick. The Eagles have to be ecstatic.

Still cannot believe that Minnesota drafted a C in the first round.

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There are a few fans that arnt too happy, but I love that pick.

Top talent and a position of need without having to reach. That's all you can really ask for when you are picking in the 20s+

We need a ton of help on the OL, if we felt he was the best interior lineman available at that spot I'm okay with it. Apparently, he popped on film while we were reviewing the Clemson DL because he played so well against them. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised to see us take the best OT available with our 2nd round pick.

If you haven't already, check out this film review of Bradbury from Stephen White on SBNation. It really explains why he'd be highly valued despite playing Center.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

I hate film reviews that use animated gifs

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Because I prefer to control the speed myself

Rosen to the Dolphins for #48... I would have much preferred that to reaching for Jones!

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I would probably prefer they pick Lock, just so the Cards get left hanging with Rosen. If what MMQB is reporting is true, they didn't start actively shopping Rosen until just before picking Murray. If that's true (and given the state of the Cards' roster), Keim should be fired.

Edit: Which makes this article even more interesting. Apparently Rosen is unfollowing the Cards on social media.

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These post seems like a job for Captain Obvious!

It sucks to play on a terrible team and get the boot after one year where you're clearly not the problem.

Did anyone else think it was really awkward and borderline inappropriate how much time ESPN spent last night dissecting the domestic violence incident with Jeffrey Simmons? Obviously his actions are inexcusable and are worth mentioning, but he was the only person all night who didn't have one highlight shown of him and barely even had a positive comment made about him (Booger did mention towards the end of that segment that he had a lot of people in his corner from his time at Miss. State). After the Titans selected him, they almost immediately showed the video from the incident, which happened almost 4 years ago. The guy made multiple appearances on the SEC All-Academic team and kept his nose completely clean during his time in Starkville. I felt bad for the kid - you wait your whole life for your draft moment, only to see yourself selected in front of all your friends and family members who have to sit idly by watching ESPN dissect an incident from over 3 years ago instead of talking about your talent and what you might be bringing to the league. There are what, 7 minutes roughly between picks, and ESPN couldn't find one moment to mention your abilities?? I know they won't issue an apology, but honestly feel like he deserves one. I hope the man balls the fuck out on a MNF game, they come up to him for a postgame interview and he just walks off without saying a word. Again, I understand the importance of at least mentioning the incident when he gets drafted because hitting a woman is/was a horrible decision and it provides context, along with his torn ACL, as to why a top 10 talent fell to #19. But this was over the top and was a big example, in my opinion, of why people hate ESPN.

EDIT: wording

"If whiskey could talk it would say I'm a great guy...or at least it ought to for as much as I buy"

Yes, the whole thing made me feel super uncomfortable. Just as you said, the immediate action to jump right into the video, the amount of time spent on it, etc. was disturbing.

TheRinger also abstained from grading the pick because of the conviction. At the same time, though, if you don't want to wear a reputation of being a woman beater for the rest of your life, the two key things to avoid are (a) beating women and (b) being in the public eye.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Everyone in the public eye is a woman beater, wow things make so much more sense!

Edit: -2 Looks like some body bombed ::: waves hand in front of nose like it stinks :::

I'd like to think that nobody on TKP is dumb enough to read my comment and come away thinking that this was my point.

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Never underestimate my stupidity!

It appears that WR is being added to the Chiefs' list of needs:

https://www.kctv5.com/news/investigations/kctv-obtains-recording-of-tyre...

"I didn't do nothing," the man says. "That's sad. That's sad, bro."

"Then why does he say, 'Daddy did it'? Why?" the woman responds.

"He says Daddy does a lot of things," the man says.

"A 3-year-old is not going to lie about what happened to his arm." the woman says.

The recording continues and the woman says: "He is terrified of you," speaking of their son. "And you say that he respects you, but it's not respect."

"He respects me," he claims.

"He is terrified of you," she responds.

"You need to be terrified of me, too, (expletive)," he tells her. "That's why you can't keep a (expletive) man."

Following the threat, the woman alleges an instance of abuse: "You make him open up his arms and you punch him in the chest. And then if he gets in trouble, you get the belt out."

The male claims that the woman's mother says that she also uses a belt to discipline the child, which is met with vehement denial from the woman.

"I rode for you against that detective and CPS (Child Protective Services)," the woman says.

The MMQB has some commentary on the legal implications of the audio recording and his NFL future. It's an interesting read from a legal aspect.

TL,DR: He gone.

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And for more evidence of the TL,DR conclusion, the Chiefs just drafted (with pick 56) Mecole Hardman, WR, Georgia, one of the fastest receivers in the draft. Obvious replacement for Tyreke Hill.

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What? You mean the piece of shit that got kicked out of Ok St for brutally beating his then pregnant girlfriend, including repeatedly punching her in the stomach, has turned out to still be beating said girlfriend and is now beating the child they have together. I'm shocked! /s

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French if you comeback to look at this thread, as a sad Giant's fan, can you give me your thoughts on Daniel Jones as a prospect? I know you said he is the best QB the Hokies played last season. Is there something there that you can see that warranted all the hype around him?

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I think it's primarily; size and build, then some intangibles. He's got a clean smart head and seems to read the field well, his downfall was having concrete walls for receivers and a wet paper bag OL. I never thought he was #6 talent but he could prove to be a consistent mildly successful NFL starter

Didn't see any chatter about this. Lee Corso bails out on the draft. No doubt in my mind this was staged. (I missed it, I was watching NFL Network.)

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Hate to say this but Lee Corso needs to retire. He has a hard time keeping up with the main panel.

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That's kind of his thing, he hasnt been valuable in 25 years.

I'm kind of surprised he lasted that long. I didn't think he'd go past the first hour.

Although the bigger talking point should be when he put the Dwayne Haskins head on, and then the rest of the crew realized they should check on him about five minutes later.

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Not a Jags fan but man, I love their first two picks.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Hard not to like their picks.

They've done a good job. Which is amazing for the Jags

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Jim Brown: With the 46th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Brown select Greedy Williams.

Good pick for them, but....[chuckle]

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Wow, I thought he was being talked about in the 1st round.

Williams is so unwilling to tackle that he makes Deion Sanders look like Dick Butkus.

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I always thought concerns about cornerbacks tackling were overblown until I had to watch Caleb Farley for a whole season last year.

Williams makes Farley look like Jack Tatum

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The Colts are having one helluva 2nd round... I really like all three of their picks so far.

The 89th pick from them was the best. Not the actual player picked, but the way they picked the player:

https://streamable.com/wcw1g

I feel good about Bradbury and Irv Smith.

I am ecstatic that the Ravens got Ferguson at 85 and just as thrilled that DeCosta has stuck to his word to take some swings at WR.

Danny Coale is like 7-11, he's always open

Yeah, I thought Jaylon Ferguson should have gone in the second. Tremendous value getting him when they did -- seems like every year there's some defensive player the Ravens get that leaves me wondering how the rest of the league let it happen

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I was screaming at the TV for the Falcons to trade up into the third to grab him.

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Dexter Lawrence is a fine pick, but other than that, to my G-Men:

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Apparently, they're collecting Senior Bowl MVPs like they're Infinity Stones.

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Are they planning on stopping out half the league? Is that their plan to make it back to the postseason?

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Falcons just moved up, and they go to commercial. I'm betting they pick Amani Oruwariye Kendall Sheffield, CB, Penn Ohio State.

Julian Love and Chauncey-Gardner went earlier, so they moved up to get the CB they want.

Edit: Fixed typos, of course. ;^)

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On the clock again in the fifth. Kelvin Harmon, WR, NC State, maybe?

Edit: Or maybe Qadree Ollison, RB, Pitt. Got the conference right.

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I haven't followed the draft. Any Hokies get their name called?

Didn't see any when I skimmed the selections on the ESPN app. ODU had two drafted.

Man sounds bad

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None first time since mid 90's. Goes to show you how off Beamers last years of recruiting were.

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Goes to show you how off Beamers last years of recruiting were bad Fuente has been at keeping Beamer's best recruits on the team.

Tim Settle, Adonis Alexander, Terrell Edmunds and Tremaine Edmunds all could have been on last year's team. Would have been a pretty good draft for the Hokies.

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Adonis failed his first year on campus he has nothing but praise for the coaches and support staff trying to keep him eligible. The other three guys weren't staying on campus for more time than they did, two of them were first round talents.

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I know, you're right. That was kind of a cheap shot at Fuente.

I'm just saying, there were actually some really talented players in Beamer's last couple of recruiting classes. It's just that they are already in the NFL. I know they all had their reasons, but if they were on the team in 2018, we're probably playing Clemson for the ACC title.

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I think at this point our WRs are going to get drafted like our DBs...Between Hazleton and Turner and all of the good things we're hearing about Bowick and Simmons..things could be setting up nicely....i'm really hoping that Phil Patterson has a good season this year so he can go to the combine..

A bunch of guys who got drafted last year could have been drafted this year and missed out on more money? Is that your argument?

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

If it makes you feel any better in 2017 UGA only had 1 player drafted (Isaiah McKenzie) then went on to have the #1 rated recruiting class in 2018

You're definitely right about the Edmundi.

But Settle was a fifth round pick in 2018. He would likely have made more money with his signing bonus alone this spring than he made in salary+signing bonus ($480k + $268k) in 2018 if he had stuck around and been a 2nd or 3rd rounder. He lost money by leaving when he did.

Adonis definitely would have made more overall money this year than he made ($168k signing bonus) by coming out in 2018.

There's a lesson here kids: Hit the books. It's not that hard to stay academically eligible.

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...yeah I really don't think that is the case lol. More like this last season was so pathetic that no one would want to touch our guys.

Pretty surprised Yosh's measurables didn't get him a late round flier.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Apparently Nijman to sign with Green Bay!

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And Ricky to Dallas. Next week I'll have entire NFL roster up.

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Lol at this defense of Daniel Jones...

"Guys that go to Duke don't watch duke football." πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Using /s is for cowards.

I watched the first quarter of the Duke vs VT game yesterday. Jones made some really nice plays. He had two drops on deep balls and made some nice NFL throws to his second or third read against zones. The bad decision was trying to force the throw with Ladler in his face. His receivers really struggled to get open, but he gave them the best chance to make a play. I don't know if Jones will end up being a great NFL QB, but I think he will be better than people are predicting. I feel similarly about Haskins. I just don't think I, if I was a GM, would have sold the farm this year to find my franchise QB.

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My thoughts exactly.

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