Coordinator, Position Coach, and Support Staff search thread

Use this thread to discuss developments, rumors, and suggestions with respect to Coach Pry's staff and the football program.

Each new announcement can get its own thread, and I'll update the main post here to reflect those updates.

JC Price is retained as associate head coach/DL coach.

TTU Co-DC/DB coach Derek Jones is expected to join Brent Pry's staff

Official: Shawn Quinn joins coaching staff

Chris Marve is the new DC

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Is this the right forum to nominate French as OL Coach or OC?

Quality control. That way he doesn't have to do the extra grind, just break down film. Lord knows we need someone in the building that can do that.

#CornFree

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

As free as the corn blows...

And yes, he really does.

Rain makes corn
corn makes whiskey
Whiskey makes my baby
feel a little frisky

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Jet Sweep

DO. NOT. EVER. ...EVER EVER EVER...try to make me associate Cornelson with the Water of Life.

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Edit: Yes, I downvoted this. You should be ashamed of yourself.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Raaaaaain is a goood thaaang

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Jet Sweep

Not the point. I said what I said.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I don't think he was talking about rain, given that his screen name is AssPocketFullofWHISKY

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Jet Sweep

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Giving his reply to my comment, it appears he understood, just was antagonizing you. πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

ODU's S&C coach will probably be considered (along with some of ODU's current staff):

Link Here

On paper this just screams small potatoes.

"Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not yet completely sure about the universe.” -Einstein

Anyone with a IV in their name isn't worth the crap in their pants. Sorry, to soon Billy Kemp, IV??? Still washing up?

I'm ignorant to this: What would this mean for Ben Hilgart? As in, is he plugged in with S&C of any other sports besides football that would keep him out of staff changes that come along with a new coach? Doesn't look like it from his profile. Got to meet him briefly after a game once - seemed like a terrifying solid guy and the players seem to love him. He's all hype on the sidelines too. He cracks me up wearing only short sleeves in 34 deg. weather.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Pass

0% chance that Hilgart is retained.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Quote from a friend of mine who played for VT in the Adibi-Hall era... VT led the ACC in "skinny legs." Hilgart can move right on down the road.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

This is what I was looking for. Was genuinely curious. Got it.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Deion says "always pick the guy with the skinny calves".

He's right.

So your saying he can skip on down the road, like VT skipped leg day

The Dude Abides

Jarrett Ferguson.

I would be very happy if he can convince Vice to stick around.

Personally I want a clean slate. I don't think Vice really has been stellar enough to be retained.

Hire a new O/C, let that coach identify who would best coach his scheme.

I think I could get behind the Vice Squad being one of those parts we keep. That said, I'm also OK if the new OC brings someone along he's used to working with.

I could do without senseless guard pulling pass protect schemes, constant shuffling, and apparent amateur film studying that Kill noted. Clean, Fresh (slate) mountain air please.

He seemed like he tought blocking fundamentals well enough (other than first drop step according to French) but couldn't always get the scheme right week to week. So good on an individual level, but not as good on a team level. Recruited well, so can't knock him there.

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

I wouldn't be entirely upset if we kept Vice. He was already a pretty solid recruiter/developer on the o-line, and having more resources to scout/recruit might help make his job even easier. That being said I also wouldn't be super upset if he moved on either. Our o-line play got really frustrating at times, and i'm still a bit annoyed we lost Nester and Hudson to the portal.

Any chance of Todd Washington returning to Blacksburg to coach OL?

one major thing with so many big time programs having new head coaches is that a lot of very good assistants may be in play. not just good assistants for player development but also recruiters.

one guy who could be available is Tim Brewster, currently tight ends coach at UF. He has previously spent time at UNC, FSU and aTM as well as tight ends coach in the NFL (including with Antonio Gates in San Diego). Bringing him in would be a brass balls move and signal that we mean business in recruiting. Not a small potatoes hire.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Does he have connections to Pry?

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

none that i know of, and i have no sauces either. Just that with a lot of moving parts nationally, sniping a guy like that with a strong offer isn't entirely infeasible. He makes like 500k at UF and who knows if Napier might want to retain him -- but it's the kind of hire that would instantly lend a lot of credence to having the second biggest assistant pool in the ACC and to the commitment to recruiting

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I appreciate you seizing the "small potatoes" banner and running with it.

I'm glad -- i totally agree that Fu was running a small potatoes program. I don't want that and nobody should want that. landing brewster or someone like him (ace recruiter, a double take salary relative to our previous ones) would be a shot across the bow of the P5 schools in the region and the conference that we mean business

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Only matters if we use it to hire good coaches. Overpaying bad coaches is what got us here

Free Hugh

I think the coaches mostly aligned with their pay, we payed lower P5 wages and got lower P5 results.

I disagree. I think many of them did not belong at this level

Free Hugh

Yeah, I'd say we were overpaying them on a results level.

There are ~60 P5 schools. What is the recording you expect of the 40th best P5 school? 6-6 seems about right to me, maybe 7-5.

EDIT: 17 P5 programs had worse records than VT this year, 12 had the same. So out of the 65 (P5 +ND) teams, 36 did better than us. Basically this means about 8 teams under achieved as we should be around 43rd I coaches pay. UVA, which pays better than VT is one of those.

We were lucky to be 6-6 in the ACC coastal. We didn't have the hardest schedule in the P-5.

After this year, I don't want to hear "Justin did well with the resources he had." Did you watch the games? That was painful to endure. It was an ugly ride, and was likely to get worse before it got better. And believe me, I was definitely the guy that was going to give him every opportunity to get results. If he'd managed to hold on to Hendon Hooker, I think he wins two more games and keeps his job. Or maybe if he'd jettisoned Corny.

I agree we need to get some resources there, and maybe this season was what it took. He was pretty far from doing more with less.

Incredibly based. I'm so proud of you

Free Hugh

We may have been overpaying bad coaches when it comes to the results on the field, but the fact is in comparison to P5 competition we had a laughably small resource pool for assistants under Fuente, which no doubt hampered any potential upgrades. Granted, it's pretty clear JF had no interest in upgrading crucial coaching spots anyway, but we were still horribly low on our resources available.

We may have been overpaying bad coaches when it comes to the results on the field, but the fact is in comparison to P5 competition we had a laughably small resource pool for assistants under Fuente

I agree with all of that. My point is that both of those can simultaneously be true.

Whit's choices indicate that he also agrees.

That's great for now. But unless revenue increases substantially, VT will fall back in the pack in fairly short order. Maybe in months.

I wonder where this new $$ pool for assts & staff falls in the P5 scheme of things?

Serious question. Pry has ties to Stiney. If Stiney were to come back in a non-OC role maybe as head of recruiting, do you like or dislike the hire? Oh and Stiney's likely out of a job right now as the head coach for Delaware was let go.

as long as stiney isnt in control of the offense and isn't calling plays, i don't mind. If he was to come in as a support staffer that is recruiting focused? even better

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

He was also a good position coach, but yeah, his main function would be in recruiting.

Go Hokies!

Alternatively I wouldn't hate him as a TE coach. No way i'd be happy with him as OC again though.

Stiney can recruit- and is well respected in VA.

Would absolutely take Stiney back as a recruiting coordinator

Stiney could come back as a TE coach or recruiting coordinator, he was a good position coach but awful playcaller.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Stinespring was a terrible position coach and his players did not like playing for him. He alienated most of the HS coaches at the end of his tenure. They should absolutely not bring him back.

Never heard this take on Stinespring before. Not sure how much evidence you have.

He was one of Frank's better recruiters for most of his time here.

From former players coached by him and HS football coaches.

How many?

Haha. Enough for it not to be a coincidence. It was 16 years ago though. I hope he's killing at at UMD, UD and JMU since he left. He's most likely doesn't have the current career trajectory to be considered. I believe his coaching and recruiting prowess is overstated. Beamer remained as loyal to his assistants as Fuente was/is. Billy Hite deserves a considerable amount of credit for his recruiting/coaching/leadership. Gentry as well, absent recruiting obviously.

Just wondered because what you're saying doesn't fit the general narrative - or results.

Not everybody gets on with everybody. And some egos need to be stroked more than others - some a LOT more.

Hell of a TE coach based on the productivity I saw. Granted this was before I got Frenched, so maybe I was too ignorant to know better.

He also led and closed on some major recruits.

If there was some bad stuff that happened late, I guess I wouldn't know about that.

Yeah... this is not accurate at all. I've interacted with Stiney, kids he's recruited and former players... Absolutely everyone loves him.

And just for clarification do you remember how amazing our OL and run game was when he was the TE/OL coach?

Is coronavirus over yet?

Dwight Vick and Darryl Tapp are pushing hard for him on Twitter, for what that's worth.

I remember Tyrod tweeting support for him to be named HC at JMU a few years ago too

Yeah I'm calling BS on this. I am friends with Brian Hooker who was HC at Glenvar HS and he said Stiney was an awesome guy. Would stop by every year and visit even when they had 0 Div 1 prospects.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Great call out! I know the Hookers as well and played for Brian 98-00 at Glenvar.

Having a conversation with you is like a Martian talking to a Fungo.

Time to start BowenUp on offense.

I can vouch for Stiney. Would love to have him back as part of this program. Would be huge toward reclaiming the state on the recruiting trail.

Gobble Till You Wobble

username checks out

Onward and upward

Like many already posted, I think I can safely say I think Hokie Nation would welcome Stiney back no problem of course in an non-OC, non play-calling role

x100. Seriously, FFS, no play calling responsibility if he gets back onto the coaching staff!

Go Hokies!

After reading Bitter's latest article on Pry in the Athletic I'd be surprised if Stiney weren't back in Blacksburg by summer. It's a good article.

Pry should bring in whoever he wants for whatever role he wants. If Stiney takes an on the field role, then so be it.

Twitter me

100% agree. That is why he was hired. I will even take hiring wahoo's and Cane's if it means we are getting back to winning the ACC.

It's hard for me to see Stiney coming back. A lot of non-football-related hoops to jump through.

How's that?

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

I don't want to get into specifics but his split from Blacksburg in 2015 wasn't clean (To my understanding from second-hand sources and what's publically available).

I think a lot of the residue from it is overcomeable depending on how motivated all parties are.

I see.

Well, I hope a new coach + staff = blank slate but we'll see.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Breaking News:

"Michael Vick hired as Virginia Tech's starting QB for the 2022 season."

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

How much eligibility does he have left?
You have to think this news might impact whether or not Dwayne Lawson transfers...

As long as we don't lose Lawson AND Drew Harris

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

(subthread intercepted by Holland Fisher)

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

So I appreciate the joke but I'm going to poll the audience here: How would we feel about putting MV7 on staff in a recruiting capacity? We could deck him out in the best VT swag we have and just send him to all the football camps on the east coast.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

message board wet dream given he's got a cushy life as an NFL broadcaster

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

It doesn't move the needle for me. Screams of an impractical dream that only a fan would consider seriously.

It's Time to go to Work

I think Dwight Vick would be a better fit for this role.

I love the tickle of Dickel in my belly

The problem is recruits in 2022 are 17, not in their 40s. Vick was last relevant when they were in the 1st grade.

I'm sure they know who he is, but it's not like he's Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson.

That's like saying 17-year-olds don't know who Allen Iverson is.

17-year-olds don't know who Allen Iverson is.

"Don't go to, go through"

"Give me a fuΒ’king beer", Anonymous Genius

Last week I had to explain who Carlton Banks was to the 20-year-old intern. I've never felt older in my life.

Just tell the intern that it's the host of AFV's old gig. Everyone knows AFV, right? RIGHT?

Isn't that the one with the dad from Full House?

Reddit for old people

Free Hugh

The big question is, did you do the Carlton as part of your explanation?

"Don't go to, go through"

Would it be unusual if I did?

Is David Cutcliffe retiring? Might be too old for OC but would make for a great analyst and/or QB coach. And he's close to the Manning Family, maybe he could put in a good word with Arch

Arch manning is SEC bound and I'm sure several SEC programs are vying for Cut's services hoping to lure Arch as well.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Oh for sure Arch is 99% SEC bound and would be a long shot. But with the resources we're committing to improve the program, Cutcliffe is exactly the type of guy you should bring in to bolster the program as an analyst just like all the big boy programs are doing. He should get a call. He might want to retire or go work for Bama, but he should still get a call.

(edit a word)

I actually think the Cutcliffe angle isn't crazy as a possible QB coach. I believe he may go somewhere to just coach. Arch though - no way.

Wonder if Shayne would be interested in coming home. Probably depends on whether Napier retains him πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ

I tweeted him asking if he was coming home. He liked the post, and that was before yesterday and all the craziness that happened everywhere. I'm sure he is game if it works out.

Previously LowBrau.

It would be a reduced role, but maybe now he'd want it that way. We could bring back Todd Grantham to coach linebackers?

Further down the list to fill in spots, there are guys like Bob Shoop (DC at Penn State in 14/15) who have been around for a while and are probably in for a bump again in different roles.

Matt Limegrover
2001–2007 Southern Illinois (OC/OL)
2008–2010 Northern Illinois (OC/OL)
2011–2015 Minnesota (AHC/OC/OL)
2016–2019 Penn State (RGC/OL)
2020 Michigan (Analyst)
2021–present Arkansas State (OL)

David Corley Jr. (Played at William & Mary)
2008–2009 William & Mary (RB)
2010–2012 William & Mary (QB)
2013 William & Mary (WR)
2014 Connecticut (RB)
2015 Connecticut (WR/ST)
2016 Connecticut (RB/ST)
2017 Army (WR)
2018 Penn State (WR)
2019 Houston Texans (intern)
2020–present South Carolina State (WR)

Phil Galiano
Penn State (2017)
Defensive consultant
Penn State (2018)
Special teams/Assistant defensive line
New Orleans Saints (2019–present)
Assistant special teams

I'd also look at reuniting with guys like Xavier Adibi (who's been the DC at Texas A&M-Commerce since 2019).

Zach Kittley, OC:
COACHING CAREER
2013-14: Texas Tech (Student Assistant/Offensive Intern)
2015-17: Texas Tech (Graduate Assistant/Assistant Quarterbacks)
2018-20: Houston Baptist (Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks)
2021: WKU (Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks)

Ryan Grubb, OC, Fresno State (if not retained by new coach)
2014–2016 Eastern Michigan (OL)
2017–2018 Fresno State (OL/RGC)
2019 Fresno State (OC/AHC/OL)
2020–present Fresno State (OC/AHC/QB)

Grant Cain, TEs/ST, JMU

Oklahoma tight ends/H-backs coach Joe Jon Finley

Recent jobs: Oklahoma (2021), Ole Miss tight ends coach/pass game coordinator (2020), Texas A&M tight ends coach (2019), Missouri tight ends coach (2016-18)

Liberty offensive line coach Sam Gregg
Recent jobs: Liberty (2019-present), West Georgia offensive coordinator (2014-18), West Alabama offensive coordinator/offensive line coach (2008-13)

Tennessee senior offensive analyst Matt Merritt
Recent jobs: Tennessee (2021), James Madison running backs coach (2019-20), Elon running backs coach/special teams coordinator (2017-18)

Florida linebackers coach Christian Robinson
Recent jobs: Florida (2018-present), Mississippi State graduate assistant (2017), Ole Miss graduate assistant (2015-16)

Penn State running backs coach Ja'Juan Seider
Recent jobs: Penn State (2018-present), Florida running backs coach (2017), West Virginia running backs coach (2013-16)

Ooooh Adibi LB coach sounds amazing

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Didn't Pry coach LB's @ PSU? (kind of like Bud did)

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

My favorite Hokie

It's funny how folks got their wish of a staff loaded with ex-players - and the results were not good, to say the least. Yet folks still enthusiastically want to wander down nostalgia road.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results - Einstein

Yeah, being able to play doesn't translate to coaching (or coaching well). Similarly how in normal jobs, doing work and doing work well doesn't mean that person will be a good leader/manager. Hell, we've seen a lot in these coaching discussions where people can have success as a coach at one school and for whatever reason it doesn't necessarily translate to a different school. So yeah, having an all-star cast of our previous players sounds great, and having them around might be great for recruiting, but most likely not going to be a good coaching solution.

It's because they don't know any other names to suggest

Free Hugh

A guy I hope we avoid: John Donovan at OC. He was OC at PSU from 14-15 and didn't have much success. Jumped ship to the NFL and then came back to Washington U in 2020 to be the OC. It didn't go well there either.

Yeah Donovan is a terrible OC. Bud Elliott always talks about how he can't understand why he keeps getting jobs

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

sometimes it ain't what you know but who you know

LOL, leg for Inbetweeners!

What a savings

Maybe poaches Jon Scott from PSU by elevating from DL coach to DC with Pry as (semi) co-DC while he gets his feet wet, with JC as DL coach.

OC- Tyler Bowen- Jax Jags TE coach.
https://247sports.com/Coach/Tyler-Bowen-3926/AllTimeRecruits/

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

My only strike against that is

name a Jags TE

ever

to actually play an NFL game that counted

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Tim Tebow

Marcedes Lewis

HA! Tebow never played TE in a game, he was a QB in Denver and miraculously beat the Steelers in a playoff game

he's the Jags TE coach this year -- it means Urb went out and got him to add to staff.

fwiw, he also hired Tosh Lupoi who was an ace recruiter at Bama (but not as good of a DC) before jumping to the NFL with Cleveland a few years back

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Kyle Brady

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I think some of the games counted while Marcedes Lewis spent 12 years in Jacksonville.

Saban has said multiple times that the most important hire he made at Alabama was the strength and conditioning coach. No assistant has a bigger impact on the culture than the strength coach. I would love if Coach Pry could poach Galt from PSU. I'd be interested in Shannon Turley at Colorado. Whoever it is, we need to pay top dollar for this position.

Cochran got $595,000 in 2019

Galt isn't leaving Penn State. Lookup Chuck Losey, also at PSU. That's the most likely candidate. Easy to mistake him for Aaron Feld SC at Oregon with that sick mustache he's sporting.

Link: https://gopsusports.com/staff-directory/chuck-losey-iii/88

β€œThese people are losing their minds. This is beautiful.”

Aaron Feld is my dream S&C coach.

Edit: Losey is likely next in line to take over Galt's duties when Galt III soon retires. Could be Galt IV or there's another big name that could surface. Spent time in the pros and a lot of high level college programs as the head strength coach. Way less likely, but definitely possible. If it's not one of those then likely someone outside of the PSU tree.

β€œThese people are losing their minds. This is beautiful.”

Per the NCAA rules the S&C coach gets more time with players than any other coach.

Unless they're best buds, nobody is making a lateral move from a quality B1G program for VT.

If you pay them

Free Hugh

With what? Hokie stone? B1G schools have money to burn compared to VT - even with the new pool of coach/staff $$. I think PSU's coach pool was higher in 2018 than the upgraded VT coach & staff pool will be for '22. Michigan State's coach pool alone just got bumped to more than the new VT coach + staff pool.

Well let's force their hand to burn it

Free Hugh

The point was nobody is leaving a B1G job for a lateral move to VT.

Force their hand to burn it? They've already done that all by themselves.

Who would think the head coaching position at Notre Dame would be a stepping stone to the SEC?

#Let's Go - Hokies

$95 million over 10 years will make just about anything a stepping stone.

multiple people on this board have suggested hiring him as OC over the last 3-6 months.
I think he would be great for recruiting and has obviously learned under some big names.

Shane went from AHC/TE to HC at an SEC school...I think Wiggins' aspirations are a little higher than being an OC at an ACC school.

I agree, however there's some difference. Shane was AHC/RB at VT and TE/ST at UGA and AHC/TE at OU pre-head coach role. USCe is also a really hard job that had missed on a candidate or two from what i have read

Charles Huff went from AHC/RB at Bama prior to Marshall HC which I feel is a fair comparison. I could see Wiggins looking for a bigger leap in his next step similar to Huff. Maybe with a big enough pay bump, he'd be interested in OC/Assoc HC in hopes of moving to a P5 gig as his first head whistle job

Price has already been named AHC

I'm aware of that.

You can have an "associate head coach" and an "assistant head coach". It's all made up essentially

Assistant to the Regional Manager.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

A 1st time Head Coach paired with a 1st time Offensive Coordinator does not sound like a particularly good idea to me.

Seems to have worked ok for Clemson.

Swinney was first time HC
Napier was first time OC

First year they made the ACCCG

Morris was brought in 2 years later, but the path to success was established.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Napier's Clemson offenses were somewhere between mediocre and okay. It's why he got fired.

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Since we're cherry picking stats to try to make an outlier seem like the norm, I'll note that Clemson went 19-15 (13-8) with that 1st time combo with some pretty good (albeit not great) offensive talent.

The great talent came right after Napier and that was really the foundation of success more than Napier.

I would rather have a first-time OC that we know can recruit and has worked at the highest level and learned from some big names as opposed to some re-tread.

Those aren't the only options. There are other (better IMO) options.

Being glass half-full here, but hiring a DC vs head coach (looking at you Fuente) means he's not locked in to bringing his whole staff from the prior school.
He can pick and choose.
I'd prefer a general re-set of the current VT staff (we went 6-6!).

Yeah. And if someone he hires doesnt turn out to be a good fit, hopefully it makes its easier to let them go and find a better option. In general, being highly flexible with staff for first few years seems like it would be beneficial to a HC

THIS^

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

A competent OC makes us 9-3. A QB that can make reads and actually throw downfield-accurately and we're 10-2 or 11-1.

uva - the taint of the ACC

And a competent head coach realizes that and makes changes to prevent that 1-2 years earlier so we can go 9-3 or better by getting the players and the coaches that develop the athletes to do that very thing.

Oh absolutely 100%.

I think if Fuente would've replaced Corn 3 years ago, we'd be having a different conversation today. However this may have been the best course in hindsight if it gets additional resources and better recruiting.

uva - the taint of the ACC

Yes.
And thats the frustration of this.
Ironically, that may have been Fuente's play all along with the Baylor deal: get more resources.
We'll never know for sure probably.

Though I'm sure you didn't mean it this way I do agree that it at least feels like we went 6-720 in the last few years

I was playing devils advocate a little bit. I'm not totally against bringing in a whole new regime but I am also not against retaining some of what we have. In my opinion, if you look back at the losses we've had that were "winnable" games, a lot of that falls squarely on play calling (offensive), utilization of players based on skillset, and recruiting/depth. A big chunk of that is on the OC and if we had one the past 6 years who could adjust and scheme, I guarantee we would have 1/2 our L's as W's. Now, do we need an instant upgrade in recruiting prowess and PR? The answer is a big YES. I personally am kinda partial to JHam and I think he'll be a helluva defensive mastermind in the future. I like Vice and Shibest and believe there would be much upside to keeping Smith around. But at the same time, I think Pry will need to build his team around his scheme and ideology.

uva - the taint of the ACC

To play devil's advocate's advocate, we finished 73rd in total defense and 89th in total offense. I don't feel like there's anyone i'd be particularly upset in losing or would think isn't replaceable.

We are 42nd in scoring defense so the bend but don't break defense was in play. But to your point we were the 42nd defense ....

Exactly.

Nothing to cling to, really.

Just because the defense as a whole wasn't good doesn't mean there aren't parts that worth salvaging. We had some good DBs, but our LB play wasn't always great, so maybe JHam was trying to use the Dbacks differently than he would have if we'd had really good LBs. And I think Teerlinck was probably still trying to get the guys he wanted to play his style, so not necessarily the best fits there. It could have been a lot of figuring out how to get the defense to work until they could get the players they really wanted to play the scheme they really wanted to play. Don't forget that even though this is Fuente's 6th year, it's only JHam's 2nd year, and he didn't get a lot of practice last year because of COVID. I know there were odd calls and players looking lost at times and other things that made people question JHam, but really wondering how much of it is because of those first points I mentioned.

100% agree. It was year 2 of a defensive rebuild. Even if some core tenets of Bud's philosophy remained, a good portion of the defense was being transitioned.

Slightly erratic, mostly sane, always a Hokie.

Love the comment, leg.

To be clear I was joking on the 6!.

uva - the taint of the ACC

I think that was our record against the spread

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Pry's going to need a good DC. He might not want to poach his co-coordinator from PSU and leave Franklin high and dry, but Anthony Poindexter would be a guy to compete with Dre Bly in Tidewater. I'd love to get him in B'burg.

Anthony Poindexter would be a guy to compete with Dre Bly in Tidewater. I'd love to get him in B'burg.

Absolutely not.

if you're reason is because he went to UVA, you're eliminated.

I wouldn't want Dex as a DC but he'd be a good addition to the staff

(add if applicable) /s

Confirmed. I'll own it - My reason is he's a hoo.

They don't do much winning and I don't want any part of of those losers (17 of 18 now) anywhere near my Hokies.

We'd be prancing around like fairies and selling Zima in the stands in no time.

No thank you-Hard Pass on the uva tree.

He was an AA player at UVA under George Welsh, back in a time when they were a lot more respectable of a football program than they have been the last 20 years. Definitely a Hoo but very well respected and connected in the state. If he's interested I would be for him being on staff.

Yeah, I don't care if they are a wayward boohoo that finds their way, or W&M, JMU, WVU, Texas, Cal, or UMBC graduate for that matter. If they can do their job well as a coach, they can recruit, help develop these guys, and help us win, then they're welcome here in my book.

On the flip side, think how much it'd irk the Hoos fans.

Lol well I applaud your hatred

(add if applicable) /s

Why thank you. The force runs strong in my family.

I have not given, nor do I intend to give it any rational strategic thought.

It's more fun for me to just blindly hate the hoos.

So you not a fan of the Tenuta's?

uva - the taint of the ACC

Hopefully our coaches and administrators are basing their staffing decisions on reason and not emotional nonsense.

Ludicrous, but glad you are owning it. Smart guy, straight up baller in football (and baseball) and has connections all over the state - and respect.

No idea if it will happen, but this is football not war.

We'd be prancing around like fairies and selling Zima in the stands in no time

The fairies would like a word.

"I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them. So I'm going with God. I'm going with Virginia Tech." - L. Corso

It would also be fun to hire Poindexter and watch the Hoos' collective heads explode

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Announcing today would be great since he just made it in the UVA sports hall of fame

(add if applicable) /s

Mm, yes. That would be a nice dig.

Kind of like the winningest coach at Notre Dame getting hired away.

#Let's Go - Hokies

I saw someone float Steve Ensminger as OC.

That would be.... Interesting?

French would not be team this.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

good lord, he played at LSU back when the earth was flat. I know, I was there at the same time.

NO!

I offer my services and coaching excellence as DC for the new coaching staff. My exemplary record in NCAA'14 with the Dime Package as my base defense, proves even power running teams can be stopped in short yardage situations by overwhelming them with VT DBs!

VT '10--US Citizen; (804) Virginian By Birth; (210) Texan By the Grace of God.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

CAZZATA, MENDENHALL!

Kyle Fuller agrees...

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

was 2013 the Techmo Bowl we outrushed them?

VT '10--US Citizen; (804) Virginian By Birth; (210) Texan By the Grace of God.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

CAZZATA, MENDENHALL!

OC - IBMs Watson
DC - IBMs Watson
Recruiting Coordinator - Sam Rogers

That's all fine and dandy, but who do you have for Dork Magic Coordinator?

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Man it's been a while since Dork Magic graced these message boards.

It's Time to go to Work

I think Dork Magic predates me on the boards, as I'm only aware of it from NerdMagic's sig. What's the story there?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Thank you.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Sorry, for DC I vote for Bud Foster's head on a robot body.

Where is the engineering department on making this a reality?

Hi folks. First time/longtime. A few years ago, at French's request, I mocked up an Optimus Foster on Twitter that I'd be happy to offer up to anyone who can make it a reality:

bless you for joining to grace us with this πŸ™

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Will this suffice?

VT '10--US Citizen; (804) Virginian By Birth; (210) Texan By the Grace of God.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

CAZZATA, MENDENHALL!

For real, though... how long until AI is calling ballgames. Is there a prohibition on that, yet? Formula 1, for instance, is constantly running scenarios through AI mid-race to determine pit and tire strategy.

I suppose we could the coaches could just fire up NCAA and "Ask Corso" every play.

Formula 1, for instance, is constantly running scenarios through AI mid-race to determine pit and tire strategy.

The end really is near...

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

The end of time? Yes, time as our current conceptual construct. We are researching a possibility to a point where gravity cannot hold back a vehicle from physically being at the starting line to finishing the race at the same time.

Or where, we can push Baylor to take Fuente a couple years early.

Maybe soon we can see time in an actual physical dimension.

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BSME 2009

The end is near for the good old days.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

Bring Dwight Vick to coach something on offense and recruit 757. Love Stiney back as a recruiter.
Who else do we want to keep on our current staff?

SCHokie

Thoughts on Loren Johnson ?

Wouldn't be surprised if he ended up on staff

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Thoughts?

Honestly, how about people stop throwing out every ex-Hokie with any sort of coaching experience (or no coaching experience) for a position? One or two isn't a bad thing, but not every ex-player is cut out to be a coach, not every ex-player who has coaches is a P5 caliber coach, and at some point too much inbreeding is not a great idea.

So... what you're saying is Bryan Randall as QB coach?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Would Love Zach Kittley as OC
Definitely keep Ryan Smith
Keep Pierson as an analyst
Any chance Foster can join as a consultant?
I'm on the Fence about Jack Tyler, off course I want to see if we can keep him just not sure how he fits in with Pry

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It feels like we're getting back to our identity a bit and as much as I love the idea of a high octane air raid attack in Blacksburg I suspect we're going to go towards a more run-heavy RPO spread attack. That said, I wouldn't mind having Zach Kittley running the offense.

EDIT: Just doing a little preliminary digging on Kittley for fun - his resume isn't very long but it is very impressive. Was hired at the end of 2020 by Western Kentucky and in one season doubled their offense's scoring output.

In 2020 WKUs offense put up 19.00 PPG. In 2021 they went for 43.25 PPG. If you want to blame COVID just take a look at their point totals in 2018 and 2019 before Kittley was hired. 21.08 and 25.38 respectively. I think the dramatic, immediate, improvement can be directly attributed to Kittley pretty fairly. Impressive. And his offenses at HBU were equally prolific (He was there for a few years after getting his start at Texas Tech learning under Kingsbury). Dude can get points on the board. I would not hate that hire at all. But, again, I think it's unlikely

Onward and upward

I'm good with that type of offense

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

FWIW, the turnaround on offense can not only be attributed to Kittley, but his QB and 3 WRs who played for him last year at Houston Baptist all transferred to WKU too. So really, he basically had four guys who knew his system inside and out come with him. It'll be interesting to see if things sustain at WKU as those guys phase out and new blood steps in.

ah, good find. I hadn't dug that far. I still think it's hard to deny the impact he's had, both at HBU and WKU. I think he's had a pretty impressive start to his career. I'm not advocating for the air raid attack for VT...I was just curious about the name and started looking into it a bit. I doubt very much that Pry will go in that direction but if Kittley were named OC for VT I'd be happy with that.

Onward and upward

Still, you had 4 guys move UP from Houston Baptist FCS and find success in FBS. I'd say that's a coach also getting the most out of his players, maybe?

Sure, and I don't mean to diminish the job he's done there and the turnaround he engineered on offense.

But I also think it's undeniable that it's been easier to implement his system when he had the QB from Houston Baptist who was the full-time starter for three years under his tutelage. You don't have to teach that guy the ins & outs of the playbook like you might if you were starting from scratch.

Also, Kittley is only 30?!? Life isn't fair...

Didn't Jeff Grimes coach oline at VT for a year or two? Looks like he's doing a good job at OC for Baylor. Anybody have any insight on him?

He went out there, in part, to be closer to family. I seriously doubt he's coming back here.

Thanks everyone for the responses, good to know.

It wasn't an inspiring time. Was it better than Newsome? Yes. Still not great.

I think you're thinking Stacy Searels, Grimes was a good hire.

Not really correct, but so what? The guy is doing a good job as an OC.

Moot point though. He isn't leaving Baylor to come to VT.

Moot point though.

FTFY.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

wants to be near family

Any predictions on how long we'll have to wait for some of the bigger choices (OC/DC)? Any chance someone gets named by Thursday's presser?

"These people are losing their minds!"

Modest chance, I would say we will know more names by then, not sure if the DC/OC will be announced that quickly

Go for it

I'd be ok with Shibest staying.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Same here but maybe give him the Torian treatment.

"Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not yet completely sure about the universe.” -Einstein

I don't have any sources, but I've been searching through the coaching staffs that Brent Pry has served on over the years.

I think we may bring on John Scott as a defensive coach, maybe DL, or maybe as DC. His ties to Pry go back to the 90s in his time as a player at Western Carolina. He's got lots of DL coaching experience, including some time coaching in the NFL.

Pry coached alongside some exciting offensive names, but most of them are secure in other jobs right now.

There's a somewhat lengthy history with John Donovan, but I don't think that he's somebody we'd want.

I will lose my damn mind if Donovan is brought on as OC. He has been a bad OC basically everywhere he's been.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

An interesting name would be Chris Beatty, but I doubt that goes anywhere.

Hard pass on Beatty. Waaaayyyy too many questionable actions on the recruiting trail in that man's past.

I watched enough of that man's offense this year, in person, to know that it would be an absolutely miserable offense to watch.

i think he meant Donovan?

I don't have to take this abuse from you, I've got hundreds of people dying to abuse me.

...John Scott as a defensive coach, maybe DL...

We already have a DL coach.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Price could coach DEs and Scott could coach DL.

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Random, but I don't know what's more impressive: the fact that JC was confident enough to bring celebratory stogies with him to Charlottesville or that he was going to smoke one regardless. Either way, total power move.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Well what am I supposed to do until they name some more coaches?

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

"My advice to you is to start drinking heavily."

And what if one is already doing that??

uva - the taint of the ACC

.... this is the most perfectly written thing I've ever seen on this site
-8300A_Hokie'12

Torian for DC. That would really solidify DBU and Pry's LBU.

I love the tickle of Dickel in my belly

well that was a boring morning check...I have nothing of value to add either...

I've been checking the VT football rosters from 95-97 looking for players that are now coaching. The coaching names are Todd Washington, Pierson Prioleau, Loren Johnson, Torrian Gray, JC Price, Cornell Brown, Shayne Graham and Shane Beamer are the guys that I knew of. We've got JC in the fold. I'd love to see 1 or 2 more of these names join the party, preferably from the first 4 names.

I'm genuinely excited about Pry. I'm a HS DC so I'm all about us getting back to a defensive identity and mindset and believe he'll give us that identity. Taking a key piece of PSU puzzle is also great. I'm cool with him bringing Anthong Poindexter too. I'm Bedford born and raised like Dex (He's the best to come out of our county). He's recruited my current HS when he was at UConn, Purdue and PSU. Hoo-Hate aside, he's a great man that relates well with youth. We'll be interesting to see if he stays with Franklin or joins us.

There's no glory in practice and lifting but without practice and lifting, there will be no glory!

I love the idea of having someone from the other side. With Bronco fielding better teams, we will likely be seeing more in state recruiting battles between us and them. Having someone who relates well to kids and can give his take on why he thinks VT is a better fit without having to bad mouth the school he played at resonates well with both the players and their parents

Ring Design Chair

With Bronco fielding better teams,

Weren't they 2 missed FGs away from being 4-8 this year?

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

With the best QB they have had in a long time......
Take him away and they are bad.
Fielding better teams than who? Duke?

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

They were also a play away from creating a dumpster fire within our community last weekend. Going into that game, a good portion of our fan base thought we would lose from what I saw. It was evident on the boards here. Their offense is visibly better than they were before Bronco got there in my opinion. Their defense was suspect this year but taking off the orange and maroon glasses for a minute, I don't see how you can't say that Bronco is moving them forward.

Ring Design Chair

creating a dumpster fire within our community last weekend

Lol we have been there for months. Nothing would have changed since Fu was already fired. Their defense is horrid and their offense is dependent on having a good QB. Their recruiting is about on par with ours which means they are also under performing. Bronco may be better than what they had, but I don't see him moving them forward currently as much as just sloshing around. There is nothing there that makes me think they will be a 8 win team next year or the year after.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Remember when Bryce Perkins graduated and we assumed their offense would crash & burn because they were reliant on a great QB but the next one whom they recruited and developed turned out to be even better? They've got something going there for sure right now, I wouldn't count on that defense being down for long.

Or decent play calling on our side away from losing by 21. They are better than they were under the Time Cop, no doubt. They were ranked briefly in 2019, but have fallen off from then and were arguably worse this year than then. Is their recruiting improving year over year? What exactly do you see as improving year over year?

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Or a decent ankle away from an entirely different second half. You guys don't have to agree with me here. I personally think they are moving in a better direction than we were up until we decided to move on from Fu. I am hoping Pry continues our dominance of this century over them. Either way, give me a coach who can recruit and coach, regardless of where he went to school. Speaking of school. I have MBA finals to study for, stop distracting me.

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I didn't see UVA "moving" in a better direction than us. They seem to be stagnant and we were heading backwards.

I've talked to a couple UVA fans I know since VT announced Pry and they seemed just deflated/resigned to the fact that VT is likely going to regain a foothold in Va recruiting again and get back to playing at a high level. One even said it will probably be a long, long time before UVA sniffs the Cup again, and he actually said he might just start rooting for Tech. Lol

They seem to not like Bronco's random recruiting from all over/out west and think it's a large reason the team just can't get up for the VT games.

The only movement that is going on at UVA are in Kemp's pants

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

uva - the taint of the ACC

Well this aged about as good as milk left out on the counter while on vacation. Apparently you guys were persuasive enough to convince Bronco to hit the road

Ring Design Chair

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Todd Washington, Torrian Gray, and Shane Beamer aren't happening. Pierson Prioleau is on staff in a support role. I don't think anyone was quite enthralled with Cornell Brown and so he was let go a couple years ago. I know nothing about Loren Johnson and what Shane Graham is up to.

Leave Loren where he is ... the HC at Highland Springs.

Another name to keep a look out for from the PSU side is Deion Barnes. He's currently a GA but considered to be an up and comer for them.

Some folks think that if Pry takes John Scott Jr. with him, Barnes might be elevated to DL coach. But he's a young guy with Philly ties and supposedly has had a big hand in PSU's current recruiting class. If Pry ends up bringing him on staff to VT in some capacity that would be an interesting hire.

What do we think about Sean Spencer for DC? He's currently the DL coach for NYG. With Joe Judge on the hot seat, he could be out of a job soon. He worked with/under Pry as DL coach/AHC at PSU from 2014-19. Hell of a recruiter.

247 top recruits

Wikipedia

Assuming PSU doesn't want him to replace Pry, he would be a good choice.

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Pry is hiring Shawn Quinn, current head coach at Savannah State. Pry and Quinn worked together at Georgia Southern.

EDIT: Story here from FootballScoop.com

Based on his experience, I would guess he'll be the LB coach at VT:

Coaching Experience:
Armuchee High School, 1995 | Outside Linebacker Coach and Tight Ends
Maryville High School, 1996-1999 | Defensive Coordinator, Defensive Line Coach
University of Tennessee, 1999-2002 | Offensive Graduate Assistant Coach-Offensive Line/Special Teams
University of Louisiana at Lafayette, 2002-2008 | Defensive Line Coach
Louisiana State University, 2008-2009 | Defensive Ends Coach
Northwestern State University, 2009 | Co-Defensive Coordinator
Georgia Southern University, 2010-2012 | Linebackers Coach-Recruiting Coordinator
Charleston Southern University, 2012 | Defensive Coordinator-Linebackers Coach
Western Carolina University, 2013-2016 | Defensive Coordinator-Linebackers Coach
Tennessee Tech University, 2016-2017 | Assistant Head Coach-Defensive Coordinator
Citadel, 2017 | Defensive Analyst
Savannah State, 2018-2019 | Defensive Coordinator-Linebackers Coach
Savannah State, 2019-Present | Head Football Coach-Defensive Coordinator

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Is there something out there stating it? I do see his resignation on Twitter and he retweeted the official VT announcement of Coach Pry. I also see Mr Hokie Wartooth just tweeted something about it too.

Thanks, I keep forgetting that football scoop is a thing too

My bad, meant to link the story (leg to Granville for adding it as a reply)

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If he's the LB coach, that makes me feel better. Head coach at a Division II HBC (and having real success during his time there) is appealing. Per the quote below, seems like he inherited a dumpster fire and turned it around pretty quickly. Can he recruit?

Savannah State finished the 2021 season with an 8-2 overall record and a 5-1 mark in the SIAC. It was the first eight-win season for the Tigers since 1994. Their nine-game conference win streak this season (dating back to the 5-0 2019 season), set a school record.

Quinn found success immediately. In his debut season in 2019, the Tigers posted an historic 7-3 overall recordβ€”the first winning schedule since 1998. In the program's first year of competition back in NCAA Division II and the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SIAC), Quinn led the Tigers to an incredible 5-0 conference record.

The Tiger's defense was the No. 1 scoring defense in the SIAC during the historic 2019 season. They defeated the top two teams in the SIAC, Albany State and Fort Valley State, by a combined 88-43 points.

Same Charleston Southern staff as Chadwell? If so, that was a solid defense. I like where Pry is going with this staff.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

From the article it sounds more like he may DC or co-DC with Pry. He seems to have a lot of connections, which is typically very helpful in recruiting, and varied enough experience to be able to provide some self scouting.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Would definitely expect LB coach, could be DC as well given the experience coaching that side of the ball (albeit at smaller schools).

Better recruit his tail off tho. Most things I can see about the hire indicate he's an awesome ball coach, but need recruiting prowess too.

Great idea for a general discussion thread. When there are reputable reports or official announcements for staff members can we create separate threads?

I'd argue individual threads with each coach hired, maybe not a new one for those retained? May be putting too fine a point on it.

Individual thread for each confirmed news of a coach being on staff in 2022 is best practice.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Thoughts on Mike Denbrock as OC? Current OC at cinci, lots of experience, impressive resume of players in the NFL, especially TE development.

Not sure why he'd leave Cinci?

If Fickell take the ND job, he'll probably follow.

If Freeman is promoted internally, Cinci is a better spot than VT right now.

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P5 school and we could probably double his salary, looks like he makes under 500k right now.

Cinci will be a P5 school next year.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Cinci is headed to the Big 12 and is already in the playoff as a G5 school. They'll have plenty of cash (if they don't already) to give him a bump this offseason.

It would be a downgrade for him to come here.

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As an FYI for folks (myself included) who didn't know his title:

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Thanks for the assist on the embed

I hope to hear something on Jeron soon. He's an acquaintance of mine. I'd like for him to be able to continue in Blacksburg.

There's a youtube video floating around (blocked at work) where Pry talks about the importance of alumni staff and keeping up with past lettermen. I have a strong feeling former players will get opportunities to be on staff, involved in some capacity, or staffed in various areas. Rumblings are guys like Dwight Vick, for all of his work over the past few years with football engagement, may have a spot in Pry's new football program.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Yes, let's try running another G5 level offense that is built on trickeration.

via GIPHY

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It appears to be an offense that scores a ton of points.

So did Memphis, and we saw how that translated to P5.

Yeah I literally don't care how the points are scored as long as they are scored. Hell, if we can reliably run a THICC 6 every single time and it works without question, who cares? Give me reliable offense any day.

OL screens all day, baby!

I would have loved seeing Sam Rogers lead a pulling Wyatt Teller into the endzone on a sweep from under center.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

An offensive player would be called for targeting for the first time when Wyatt just lowers and booms 3 dudes on his way to the house

I'd be ok with that offense, but he coached at Georgia Southern before, not Charleston Southern like Pry and Quinn.
Quinn did coach at Georgia Southern, but it was before Chadwell, Korn, etc.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Great guy, family. Well respected locally.
Played QB for Byrnes, SC.
Committed to Clemson, minimal PT due to injury, never really recovered. Tx'd to Marshall, then NGU where he was coached by Chadwell, then joined Chadwell's staff. He's moved up, but clearly on the opposite side of his career than like a David Cutcliffe.

The Korns are old family friends so I cosign this. I am happy to see him doing so well after getting raw deal with the shoulder issues at Clemson.

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And focusing on the run with a spread look.

What stands out to me is the number of G5 schools on this list. When there aren't great athletes playing defense, you can get by with a lot more. (I know those guys are more athletic than we will ever be but it isn't UGA or Texas A&M out there they are playing against)

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Ok so I will throw out a name I've said before. But now since it's not day dreaming and a possible reality.

For your consideration I present. David Reeves at UAB.

He started on staff with Bill Clark to rebuild UAB in 2014. He has had some very stellar defenses over the last few years and one that finished top 10 I believe.

A quick google search brings up a good bit of articles where writers list him as possible considerations at places like LSU and Missouri.

I've read that defense is really physical and just a few weeks back his defense beat this guy named Charlie Huff.

Maybe some of you have heard of Huff. :)

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: β€œGuys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.” - David Teel Tweet 2018

That is a very healthy budget for his 10 assistant coaches.

Based on some rudimentary numbers, 5.5 mil would be in the top 5 six years ago, nationally.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Sounds like we'll know a couple more names soon.

Who's still coaching this Saturday that he wants on staff?

Might be a mixture of that and getting names through whatever official process is involved for the Commonwealth as well. Quinn's name has popped up and if he isn't announced before the weekend, he might be one of them.

I'll take just about anyone who's coaching in a conference championship game. Bring some winning mentality to Blacksburg.

With all this new money for assistants, could be a lot of names. I have to imagine some PSU guys are coming (not as many as we probably think, but I would imagine 1 or 2.

Can Miami go ahead and hire Cristobal so we can hire Joe Moorhead as OC

Akron hired Joe Moorhead as head coach.

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If I'm not mistaken, Moorhead is headed to Akron as HC

I would love a list of like, five OCs we're considering so we can discuss and pick apart.

Orange County, New York
Orange County, Virginia
Orange County, Texas
Orange County, North Carolina
Orange County, California

hey, I live in one of those!!

Onward and upward

It's the California one isn't it?

ME Class of '16
VA --> AL
I'd rather be golfing.

I wish I had that kinda money

Onward and upward

A lot of people of all levels of income live here... Don't have to be rich, but most of the housing costs about the same as NoVA.

πŸ¦ƒ πŸ¦ƒ πŸ¦ƒ

So like a boat load then?

"Don't go to, go through"

I live in Leesburg, VA and the company my wife works for is based out of San Francisco. They keep trying to entice her to move out there but hell no. We're not moving to one of the half dozen places in the country more expensive than here. Also San Francisco smells like a chemical toilet.

"Sure we'll make the move. I'll need a $3M dollar raise to accommodate for cost of living."

I mean, I can be bought.

Said Brian Kelly quietly....

"Don't go to, go through"

In a fake southern accent.

My list:

Zach Kittley, OC, WKU

Ryan Grubb, OC, Fresno State (if not retained by new coach)

Andrew Sowder, OC, Kent State

Graham Harrell, OC, USC

Eric Evans, co-OC and QBs, Western Michigan

Defense causes a turnover, puts the ball in the red zone, the offense scores a TOUCHDOWN. Not a field goal, a TOUCHDOWN. That's the offense I want. Efficient. Bryan Randall, you are missed.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

I'll settle for if we get it on the 5 we punch it in. I've been watching this team return it to the 5 and be mad because I know we'll settle for a FG, for 20 yrs at this point. We win 2-3 more game this year with that capability alone.

It sounds as though upon entering the redzone you would like to see us stick it in?

Any of these guys have a previous relationship with Coach Pry?

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Not to my knowledge or google search

Greg Roberts in Roanoke reporting secondary coach will be Derek Jones from TCU

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Texas tech, slight fact check -- was AHC/Co-DC/DB coach at Texas Tech.

Previously coached at Duke... where he managed to pull some 4* DBs

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Aren't their defenses trash?

Wow, signed some highly rated dudes while at Duke.... From NC, SC, GA., FLA... I like it.

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One of whom was a Fuller!

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Hmm wonder what this means for Ryan Smith? Really hope we can find a way to keep him on staff!

Shifting to Safeties Coach, JHam out.

This is what I'm hoping for. Not that I want JHam out, but it makes the most sense for his career to have to leave at this point. And personally feel we need Ryan Smith to keep the recruiting momentum + energy going!

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JC Price certainly agrees with this philosophy!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

What about Kirk Ciarocca? He was the Minnesota OC when they had their 11-win season behind the strength of their RPO-heavy spread offense. Fired after one year in 2020 at Penn State so perhaps there is some bad blood, but maybe it was just not a fit. Recruited some dudes for the gophers and could still have a lot of potential. Currently an analyst at West Virginia

Rumored back to Minny by Thamel.

Wait, what?

Some radio dude on twitter: Ryan Aplin leaving Arkansas State for un-named school to be OC.

Wait, what?

I don't think he's qualified for us. Was at Western Kentucky last year then replaced by the Houston Baptist squad who tore it up this season. Was at North Alabama before that.

Pry said he has a list and other have reached out to him. He seemed rather confident on that front so I expect someone a little more established as well.

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Arkansas State bio here

Football Scoop is reporting he's on his way to GA Southern with Clay Helton.

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Going to be OC at Georgia Southern.

Bryan McClendon ( Oregon WR) is a name that is starting to see a little smoke.

former Georgia RB/WR coach and S Carolina WR/OC. His tenure ats S. Carolina's OC was not particularly effective, which is why he's back to being a WR coach. I'd have to think we'd be bringing him in as OC, or maybe Co-OC.. some kind of promotion, unless he wants to get back to the southeast or something.

As a position coach or OC? His time as OC at South Carolina didn't go great, though maybe that's because Muschamp was head coach. I'd be thrilled if he was RB or WR coach, but why would he leave Oregon as the passing game coordinator and WR coach to be a position coach at Tech?

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

His OC is leaving, for one thing.

Very good point! I'd be thrilled if he's coaching WRs or RBs. And could see him having a co-OC/pass game coordinator role with a main OC calling plays and gameplanning.

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For what it's worth, here's the SP+ ratings for Bryan McClendon's offenses. I don't have enough context to discuss the narrative behind these numbers, but it's pretty clear that 2018 is an outlier.

Year Position Offensive SP+
2016 Co-OC 105
2017 Co-OC 69
2018 OC 21
2019 OC 98

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I'm trying to sort through why they had a sudden surge in 2018 and fell off a cliff in 2019 and I can't figure it out. Deebo Samuel played 2016-2018 bad was injured most of 2017. Jake Bentley was starting QB, but missed some time in 2018 as a junior. I really have no clue

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Jake Bently had a pretty good year in 2018 - >60% completion %, >3000 yards, >8 yd/att. As a whole, the team averaged 6ish yards per play, and 21 first downs per game. If you ignore losses to #3 UGA and #2 Clemson (and a bowl loss to UVA) they had 3 losses by a total of 21 points - so they were playing close games.

I dunno, I'd have to ask a South Carolina fan.

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I followed your suggestion and asked a cock. They don't know either. One good year, one bad, with injuries and a lack of talent for the bad, but sacrificed by Mullen so he could pass blame and stay.

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To be fair 2018 was his first as the sole-OC. And a peak-Deebo probably helped quite a bit. Now they were also blanked by UVA in the bowl game, in which Deebo did not play. Tough to parse really, although like was said above have to consider any offense under Muschamp was hamstrung from the start.

Side note, where do you get SP+ rankings now that Bill C is with ESPN? You pay for the +?

Everything pre 2019 is on Football outsiders still. Everything post 2019 is on ESPN+. But he will share his spreadsheet if you ask him nicely on twitter.

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oh wow, I feel like such an insider now, thanks! I've more or less stopped following bill since the move to ESPN and it's bummed me out.

Yea, Bill keeps his spreadsheet data available via his twitter bio. He's probably a copyleft type of guy and probably negotiated with ESPN to be allowed to share his data. Although, I'm guessing he keeps the specifics of his algorithms private.

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I mean my sister turned down a job in Eugene for one in Charlotte, so...

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So for defense safe to assume Shawn Quinn-DC/LB coach, J.C. Price-AHC/D-Line coach, Ryan Smith-Cornerbacks coach and Derek Jones-Safeties coach? Seems like a staff that will recruit and coach well if this is the case!

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i dont think it's safe to assume at least half of those things at this point

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J.C. Price and Shawn Quinn are half those things and I believe they are safe to assume...as far as job titles and what not that may be a different story but I think these 2 guys are locks from what I have read.

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I think the issue is in assuming the job titles.

That they will be on the staff has been announced.

where has any of it been announced aside from Price? I've only seen unconfirmed reports/speculation of Quinn, Jones, Smitty as assistants for next year.

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in fairness, until VT announces it (what did Pry say, Sunday?) it is all speculative. but I'd say its closer to 90% likely than 50/50.

I don't think there's any chance Quinn is the DC

right, so not safe to assume at least half of those things

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Price, Quinn, Jones, and Smith seem very likely on D if you believe the internet. Price (Va), Smith (Va), and Jones (NC) are proven recruiters. Perhaps Quinn could recruit south Ga and the I-95 corridor from SC to FL (he should have the contacts). I think Pry will be the de facto DC in year one and I don't think JC has been promised anything after year one; something to watch. John Scott could easily factor in somewhere sooner or later.

Offense and STs seem much less settled at this point. Hopefully some news soon.

I will be a bit surprised if Quinn is anything but the LB coach at this point.

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Do you think Pry has already secured his DC but maybe the name hasn't been announced yet?

Because as he is filling in the position coaches, you'd think the DC may want some input on that?

On the other hand, need to get the coaching roster filled quickly so you can get the recruiting roster filled so maybe it's worth getting best available position coaches even if coordinators are still TBD?

I would love if Pry can get Anthony Poindexter to join him as his DC. Then UVA hires some completely underwhelming coach like Mike Houston. Would be epic.

Honestly I don't give a damn what UVa does. Maybe its the honeymoon phase of the good news we've gotten this week, but unless something crazy happens I can't help but feel we're heading in the direction of leaving UVa in the dust.

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Based off of Prys comments about him eventually giving up playcalling duties whether that be in the spring, part way thru the season, or after one year, my guess might be that he will be promoting Ryan Smith to DC or Co-DC role with maybe Quinn as the other Co-DC (if thats what they plan to do) as they grow into the role and once Pry feels confident with Smith or if its both of them taking full reins of it, then he'll give it up.

My thoughts as well

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Hmm ... Wonder if they know who the OC will be? (That's Raheem Blackshear in the reply down below).

If superstars is based on who the OC might be, could be great news for Brown.

The question is if they meant if they were somewhere else all along? Or if they mean with the incoming OC?

OC, I told y'all most will like the hire. It's a very good hire. Our staff WILL be able to recruit.

Go for it

And the OC is....

is joe moorhead to akron a done deal? i don't think that is official yet

Recruit? Good. But will he score points? If we get talent we can't waste it like the last 3 oc's did

This hurts to see but also shows the underlying feelings of the offense while they were here under Corn. That's not great.

Interesting take from two players that will still be coached by Corn for the next few weeks....

I doubt they're worried if Corn will see it on twitter

Onward and upward

They don't all have to like each other but they have to work with each other if they want to win the bowl game. They're immature college kids so it's not surprising, but it would be smart to take the high road, at least in front of the public.

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Yeah. Don't hit send. Coach P wouldn't like this

Y'all literally have no idea if they are even talking about football.

If they were. They could easily be saying "we had a great team - we didn't execute"

...or saying they are sad their friends are leaving next year and they would have been great if they stayed...

I'm confused too, they are both listed as juniors so presumably if it's about the new OC they would be excited.

Reads to me that they are thrilled with the moves and the new direction!

Kinda /s

IS it Sunday yet so we can get some names ALREADY???

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Is it possible to put confirmed coaches in the original post, so easy to see what spots are filled and what aren't?

Previously LowBrau.

i will be updating as positions are confirmed, yes. each announcement will also get its own thread

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We should drop our huge DC and OC news right when UVa is introducing their new coach over the weekend. Lol.

I'd be okay with UVa not even announcing a new coach until after Christmas - I kinda hope they end up hiring the head coach from my high school because nobody else is available

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David Teel mentioned this morning I believe on Packer and Durham he is hearing they will make an announcement this weekend. Have to think Poindexter is definitely a front runner if it's that quick.

well, that's a shame. I just hope they continue to suck for eternity

Onward and upward

On the flip side, I think a hire that quick would suggest it's someone who is already there.

I've seen Marques Hagans name mentioned on the twitterverse. UVA alum and has been on the coaching staff since 2011. And clearly the WR talent has not been lacking especially this past year. Maybe keep Hagans and have a good shot at keeping some of that WR talent in the room.

That would be fantastic if that's the case. And if Pry can convince Dex to join him at VT as DC, wow. There have been rumblings Dex isn't on good terms with UVA since he coached there last but we shall see.

Hagans was 1-4 against us in his time as a player. 1-10 as a Coach. He'll fit right in as head coach.

Eh, that is 2 career wins. That is more than anyone has had there in a long time.

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I am going to throw out a name that was presented on here back when we were looking to replace Bud upon his retirement. I have no clue if this is a realistic option, but I am hoping to speak it into existence. I would love to see Glenn Schumann join Pry as our DC. He is the current Co-DC at UGA, and their defense is a wrecking crew plus he can recruit!

All Time Commits - https://247sports.com/Coach/Glenn-Schumann-3721/AllTimeRecruits/

I'm sure he would be an awesome DC but it looks like Dan Lanning might be the next guy for Oklahoma in which case Schumann probably gets promoted at UGA

My guess is that Pry's DC is someone who he has worked with in the past, who he can mentor.

On Offense, I would hope we would hire someone who is equivalent to Schumann.

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I'm thinking John Scott DL coach @ PSU

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This is who I'm hoping for as DC

Rumored to be coming to join Pry's staff, perhaps as a DB coach? They coached together at Memphis.

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Would be a huge, huge hire. From South Carolina and coached under Cut at Duke for long time. He was landing a lot of big recruits for Duke when he was there. Great coach and very strong recruiter.

Couldn't he be DC?

Saw this as well and was gonna post same thi g I'm curious if he's linked to pry now

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I would love to have Cody Grimm as the Special Teams Coordinator

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So I'm firmly on the not all former players make great coaches train, but there's a former player name that hasn't been thrown out yet for a position coach that should be. Eddie Whitley should get a call to be a DB's coach. The man has cut his teeth at Bridgewater college and JMU and I've seen his DB's they are really really good. Hopefully he gets the chance to move up to the power 5 level and hopefully that move is to tech. He loved tech when he was here and could be an amazing recruiter.

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My son graduates from Bridgewater in a week's time. Four year starter for Coach Clark. I can attest to how well the DB's were coached by Coach Whitley, as I laid witness. It was no surprise JMU snatched him up.

Joe Brady (OC) is now available. Burrow still has some eligibility, maybe we get a package deal.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Is Joe Brady actually good? I know nothing about him. I mean he was a passing coordinator at lsu then got a shot at OC in the NFL but really doesn't seem to have much experience.

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He was an enormous driving force behind that LSU team & offense that some consider one of the best teams of all time.

This sounds good to me. Is he also a QB coach? I'd like to pair him up with David Cutcliffe

Joe Brady has said on the record that he dislikes recruiting. He ain't coming back to college.

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This is insane, not even two months ago he was being tabbed for an NFL head coach job. If he goes back to college level (big if) expect him to get an elite level job for 2 mil+.

Right, with the complete lack of talent that offense has and CMC being made of glass at this point I don't know of anyone that could have succeeded.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I'm all in for the Joe Brady move if he is interested in college - Laycock coaching tree, young, innovative and although I have heard his previous comments I think he fits better in college (at least for now).

Anyone who questions him should ask Joe Burrow what he thinks...

Surprised there isn't more chatter about possible OC .

I imagine that Pry's professional network has a lot more defensive coaches than offensive. Probably has a clear idea of who/what he wants on his side of the ball. Probably taking time to interview and watch tape on offensive coordinators.

But I too I'm quite interested to see who we get for OC.

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The recruits supposedly know, the current players know, so it's all about timing of the announcement at this point.

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If that was the case names and rumors would be leaking.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I've seen a couple of comments from people who seem to know who it is. Now, maybe it's just people you like to feel important on the internet, but not impossible this hasn't leaked yet. Pry's hire was a much bigger deal and he was locked up for 3 days while working on his staff before his name leaked. Hell we were convinced BOB was a done-deal not 12 hours before he was announced.

Yea I think If this was the case there would at least be some smoke pointing to one . But it's pretty quiet .

We already have an OC. Did you think we were getting rid of Corn that easy?

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My eternal optimism says Monday will bring more good news.

Geauxing to be something good soon

Go for it

Adding another member to the Brady bunch?

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Cup of Joe in the morning

Go for it

Everything I read says Ensminger was the better cog in the LSU offense, and Brady doesn't like to recruit. I hope this isn't Paxton Lynch 2.0, just with Joe Burrow instead

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I'm kind of curious what you've read? Everything i've read from every outlet has credited Brady with maybe a courtesy acknowledgement to Esminger out of respect. LSU's implosion the next year and Brady's soaring stock (until recently) would imply that the industry agrees.

To be honest I'm not well versed in the lsu or coordinator arenas at all. So I could definitely be wrong! I'm probably just hesitant because he just got fired, due to recency bias etc

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It does give me pause on getting overly excited at this possibility, but it is important to point out who his QBs have been this year: Darnold and a Cam Newton who was signed at the last second and promoted quickly. Can't really expect a ton of amazing results under those circumstances. He wouldn't be working with much at the start with VT either.

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Pros vs college is very difficult to come to conclusions - I think he is more suited to college. Pro situation was basically impossible in Carolina with the QBs. OC has little to no control on this in the Pros

Fine fine fine, but let's get to the stuff that matters. How does he feel about the jet sweep and QB power?

I'm sure there is always something to critique , he's 32, just got fired, etc. But if we can't get excited for a former Broyles Winner at OC , with NFL OC experience, and a national championship offense ( regardless of the players), aren't our standards just a bit high?

The guy is a star and a winner. Complete no-brainer if he is the slightest bit interested.

I don't think it's a no-brainer. If the guy hated recruiting at......LSU, how's he going to feel about recruiting kids to Blacksburg?

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think every coach has to be an ace recruiter. If he's an outstanding offensive coordinator and a half-assed recruiter, I say hire him yesterday. An exciting and effective offense will help all of our other coaches recruit (as will winning lots of games). I'd take a great OC who's a bad recruiter over a great recruiter who's a shitty OC any day of the week and twice on Saturdays.

This is fair actually and I agree. Mind changed. Being a stellar recruiter is more important when you're trying to get blue chips to come to a terrible offense. Be good at offense and people will want to come play for you.

I'm with you on this one.

So far we've got a HC who is known for his recruiting, along with Derek Jones who got 4* guys to Duke.

If you keep filling the staff with position guys who can recruit and do a good job with your recruiting support staff I'm all in on an OC like Brady.

Now, is VT a big enough gig for the guy who architected one of the greatest offenses in CFB history? Seems like a stretch, but we'd be lucky to have him.

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Who says he hated it? What I read is he was fed up with the SEC ways of recruiting and didn't like that style and wanted to try the pros.

The guy has a reputation as one of the most innovative young minds in football. He has a built in recruiting asset that compares to almost nobody we have ever had before on offense.

I'm not saying he wants to or we would get him, but I think the recruiting comments are way out of context and supposition.

VT should get the best OC we can get.

Hire someone else to recruit if you need to. But I would think any OC would be interested in choosing the pieces they'll get to work with, so I would expect SOME involvement.

Thought we would get the staff details today, but at this point we must be pulling an OC from one position coaches of the teams playing yesterday.

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

Or out of the Pro ranks.

Told y'all you will be happy. Let's just say best OC in school history, but according to Corn that would only be beating him, so not much competition.

Go for it

Joe Brady.

Brady would be amazing and he could bring the LSU QB that's in the portal with him.

Sooo...Stiney?

We won a lot of games with Stiney. Many complained about him and I was one of them but that's when top 15 wasn't good enough for us. We were spoiled and I'd love to be spoiled like that again.

Also, the guy can recruit VA.

We were top 15 in spite of our defense. The defense carried the team. Stiney should not be an OC. I'd be fine with him on staff as a position coach or working recruiting, but that's it.

I'm not suggesting that we bring Stiney back by any stretch of the imagination, but his offenses weren't as bad as we remember. Or, rather, they at least had some high points. It does suck there were 4 years that we had a top 10 defense, but an offense outside the top 50.

Season Overall SP+ Offensive SP+ Defensive SP+ Special Teams SP+
2006 11 64 1 3
2007 16 65 3 3
2008 37 89 9 39
2009 4 12 10 23
2010 14 12 31 16
2011 22 27 14 88
2012 31 63 8 72

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Considering that the two best offensive seasons in that list were Tyrod's last two years, I'd lean into saying that the talent on the team was propping up the numbers.

This definitely factors in. How many times did we see a play completely break down, only to have Tyrod scramble and either run it himself (3rd and 31, anybody?) or find Boykin, Coale, or Davis improvising downfield. 2011 was loaded with talent and LT3 bulldozing it himself or letting David Wilson chase an imaginary rabbit through the defense for some insane play with two or three spin moves. I think some of those teams succeeded in spite of the plays that were called, a fair amount of the time.

All that said, it emphasizes recruiting first. Those guys were incredible talents. Imagine if they had been in a high-octane system, or what we could do if the stars align and we find a solid OC and a staff that recruits guys of this caliber again.

He recruited good talent. He moved it enough to establish field position. He didn't turn it over.

Wasn't good enough for us then but we didn't do any of those things well the last 8 seasons.

best OC in school history

We getting Ricky Bustle back??

He did work with Pry for a few years

Low bar

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If it is Joe Brady, I can't imagine we'll have him around for more than a year or two. There's HC discussions of him even after this firing so assuming our offense isn't a total shit show, I'd think this would be a quick stop. It's a good problem for us to have and one id take every day of the week and twice on Sunday compare to the hot mess we've seen the last 5 years

I really doubt Brady is an option. Supposedly he did not like recruiting in college . Also coach has been looking for an OC for the last week before this opening happened.

It's no secret that Brady wasn't enamored with the recruiting grind that's a major part of college football. He did his job, and he did it well, but recruiting teenagers wasn't something Brady wanted to do longterm.

On Tuesday, The Athletic quoted a LSU staffer as saying that Brady "just didn't enjoy the communication aspect and all the teenager shenanigans".

Brady just wants to coach football. And that's understandable. Not everyone enjoys trying to convince 16-18 year olds to commit to a program. It takes a different kind of mindset.

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Am I wrong for not really getting excited about Joe Brady? It seems like we would have to WAY overpay as he has 0 years as a college OC and got fired from his only OC position after less than 2 seasons. And he doesn't like recruiting. I certainly don't expect it would be Brady, but even the idea doesn't seem appealing if you think about it a little harder than "he was on the offensive staff during LSU's awesome 2019 season so he's amazing".

EDIT: really replying more to the general topic than to your post

He wasn't just on the offensive staff he was the Co-OC, now if you want to nitpick that he had an amazing offense with Joe Burrow, Ja'marr Chase, Justin Jeferson and Clyde Edwards-Helaire which seems like being able to throw a ball off a boat and hitting water I could be on board, it also seems like his firing from Carolina was a philosophical difference not a performance one

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I did not realize he was Co-OC. I saw "passing game coordinator" in his bio. I did find a 2019 article where Orgeron was quoted saying Ensminger was calling plays, but Brady was sitting right next to him. And yea, he did have some insane talent to work with.

I am not saying it would be a bad hire, just that his rep is from the success of some stars aligning in 2019. He would also be a very splashy hire which would excite the fanbase (big positive) and require us to, in my opinion, drastically overpay for based on his full body of work (negative).

Biggest positive is it provides some major hope for the offense. I would be very excited about that.

Joe Brady was the architect behind the best offense in college football history. I do think you're failing to give him proper credit - he wasn't just running Steve Ensminger's system; rather, Ensminger was running Joe Brady's system (and tried, but failed, to continue to do so once Brady left).

That said, I too have reservations about Joe Brady - at LSU, Brady had a stupid talented roster led by a cerebral QB (a rarity in college football). Can he achieve the same results with our current roster? How long will it take to get our roster to a point where we could run Brady's system? Will he stick around that long? Can he tweak his system based on the available talent?

Ultimately, I'd be ecstatic about a Joe Brady hire. It would give us instant credibility among high school coaches across the nation. But I could invision ways in which this (potential) hire could fail.

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Very well said. Those questions with my assumed price tag attached are generally my questions. Also, if Brady stayed at LSU, could he get more production than Ensminger did after all that talent left? Maybe, but no one actually knows.

I'm not too worried about the price tag tbh. I think he's worth around $1.75-$2M. Even if we pay $2.25M, I don't think it hurts us from rounding out the roster. We'll see though.

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"and tried, but failed, to continue to do so once Brady left"
Was it after Brady left or was it after Burrow, Jefferson, Chase and CEH left? Especially Burrow. LSU has always had talented players on both sides of the ball but I would say they never had a Burrow. I'm not against getting Brady but to say it was because he left that the O fell apart is just not accurate.

Just curious if not Brady then who would you get excited for? I honestly dont pay enough attention to really have a good guess as to who we are interested in so I will keep following the thread to see what people say. I dont have a shortlist for OC jobs as this year of all years its going to be chaos hiring guys right now so it'll end up being someone we havent heard of probably but I could get excited over Brady as its a name even a casual fan like myself could recognize. However I can agree with your sentiment of I'd rather have a solid OC that fits exactly what Pry wants on offense instead of a big name for the sake of big name hires.

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However I can agree with your sentiment of I'd rather have a solid OC that fits exactly what Pry wants on offense instead of a big name for the sake of big name hires.

That is really all I am really saying. That and Brady will likely be very expensive.

We absolutely need to shell out for a high-end OC, but Brady's rep seems like it would demand more money than his resume has proven he is worth. It was 1 season with insane talent, so I have reservations. I would still be excited due to the message it would send. I am just not convinced he would automatically be successful at VT.

I don't have a short list. Just researching names as they pop up.

Totally get it I was curious is all. Seen alot of dont like so and so but not much to say well this is who I'd target but I totally get the sense of not wanting to overpay with a limited budget. I'm curious who we end up with and what Pry's vision for an offense is so we shall see. Would imagine we hear something this week but who knows.

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I mean I hear that.

But 2 years with the Carolina Panthers trying to scheme up an offense for either Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold, or way past his prime Cam Newton knowing that the actual weapon you have in Christian McCaffrey is basically a walking hospital ward might make one long for the days of just having to deal with teenagers and recruiting.

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Good for Kittley! I never seriously thought he'd be hired here because I don't think that's the style Pry is going for. I think that his offenses are very effective and probably a lot of fun to watch. I would have been happy getting him to Blacksburg but I just don't think the air raid is on the table

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I'm really holding out hope that loluva doesn't screw up and hire a competent coach. Fingers crossed for another total clown show.

Anyone heard scuttlebutt on whether Coach Pry will be keeping Ryan Smith?

You'd think if he was going to be retained, we would have heard something by now. Given that Jones & Quinn are already out on the road recruiting with Price, you'd figure that another guy familiar with this recruiting class in Smith would be out there too if he was going to stay with the program.

My guess is that he might be exploring his options. He may have an offer from Pry, but taking his time to interview with some other programs. Plus, we don't know where Hamilton is going to land; haven't heard anything on that front either.

My guess is part of it has to do with letting the existing coaches coach for the bowl game. You announce one coach you're retaining and that, by default, sends the message that you aren't retaining the others.

Well, he announced that Price was staying pretty quickly.

He's also acting as interim HC and has a long history with the school. I mean, are we even sure he's going to be DL coach? Everyone assumes that, but I think they just announced he's being retained and he said he hopes to stay in any capacity that he can. Pry could intend for him to be something like director of player development, lead of whatever large staff he intends to hire, director of recruiting, or something else besides DL coach. Similar to how I thInk we have a good idea of what Quinn and Jones will be doing, and we're assuming Smith is being retained, but what if Jones is intended to coach all DBacks? They didn't include positions in the announcements for Quinn and Jones, so not sure why they wouldn't if it was straightforward.

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They confirmed AHC and DL coach in the initial press release regarding it.

didn't it just say "defensive coach"? seemed pretty open ended.

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Yeah, they forgot the word "line" in the body of the presser. Bitter corrected himself twice when he tweeted, first to defensive coach, then to defensive line coach after confirming.

I didn't see a press release on that specifically, but do see n the announcement of Pry as head coach that he's retaining Price as AHC and DL, so I stand corrected. I withdraw my comment and apologize unreservedly.

Still feel like my initial argument either holds some water or they actually won't be retaining Smith. Because he's right, they announced Price staying, so why not announce Smith. It could be that naming two makes it seem like it's an all-inclusive list, or they aren't retaining him. But again, who knows?

Chris Coleman (TSL) tweeted that he has a few offers and is figuring out what he wants to do.

My wife asked me an interesting Q the other day: has anyone hired Justin Fuente yet? I haven't heard of anything happening there but then again if he wanted to just take time off, then it doesn't matter who might want to hire him.

He got a little smoke about the SMU job when Sonny Dykes was set to leave, but they filled it quickly with Rhett Lashlee almost immediately after he formally left for TCU.

Very surprised if Fuente doesn't go the "kick it as an analyst and enjoy the $$" thing for a season

But that would mean interacting with the media.

Probably means like a Nick Saban analyst and not like a TV analyst

So the only two rumors I can dig up RE: our OC are Joe Brady (v. unlikely IMO) and Tyler Bowen. I think there is a fair-to-good chance that we're not going to hate the OC hire but also it's probably going to be someone we don't know that well and who may or may not have much of a resume (i.e. someone young)

I'm okay with giving a guy a shot, especially if Pry believes they are a fit for the program. At the same time, I think OC is going to be one of Pry's most important hires (which might be why we haven't heard much - he probably knows this and is taking his time to do his homework)

I want to know yesterday but I also can't really fault Pry for taking his time on this. I have so many mixed feelings.

Onward and upward

100% but at the same time I have not been upset at what we have already learned with our wait. I want to know but I can wait. I'm still having a blast memeing on the past week. πŸ˜‚

Joe Brady to Miami with a young, very good QB in Tyler Van Dyke makes way more sense to me than VT, if he comes to the ACC at all.

LSU, Florida, Clemson, or Bama seem far more likely at this point (assuming Elliot/BOB leave). I seriously doubt us or Miami have a shot

Speaking of Tyler Bowen and PSU connections.........So what if Ricky Rahne at ODU and only making 750K left the HC job for a cool 1.8 million as OC at VT?

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Justin who?

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If it goes into late this week with no announcement, then the more I think it is someone coaching in FCS playoffs (Cignetti) or someone from a CFP team. Thoughts?

I think that would be awesome. The timing isn't great for recruiting the 22 class, but if we get the right guy it's worth it.

it brings me a certain amount of comfort that the last three meetings between Penn State and Pittsburgh resulted in the Panthers only scoring 14, 6, and 10 points respectively (2017,2018,2019)

Onward and upward

I'm mostly rejoicing in the fact that Pickett is gone to the NFL now so we wont have to endure that again.

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yeah, the r/cfb thread on Pry's hire was loaded with PSU fans sad to see him go but tagged with a "please dominate Pitt for us" and Pitt fans with "glad to see you've weakened Penn State" but tagged with "oh god oh no we'll have to face him every year"

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The closer we get to ESD the more antsy I am getting about no announcements on the offensive side of the ball. This is pivotal time to get recruits on board before the majority sign "early".

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

Do you want Manny Diaz for Defensive Coordinator?

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No.

Don't think we're willing to pay what he would want and would rather spend that $$ on the O coaching

Plus, with Prys background, I see him bringing a younger DC in that he can mold to his system.

This appears to have aged well.

I was wondering if someone would bring him up. I don't know much about their offense other than it's good.

He runs the old Baylor offense, which is both efficient and explosive. It's the same offense as Ole Miss and Tennessee. I'd love it but I'm not sure that's what Pry is gonna want to go for.

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There is a growing push on social media to try and bring Shayne Graham back to Blacksburg as our Special Teams Coordinator, a job he had with Florida.

I'd be on board, and think its a no-brainer to make happen if the price is right.

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he was a ST quality control assistant, not coordinator.

typically a team would have a position coach like RB or TE also serve as ST coordinator and I don't think it makes sense to bring him back in that role.

He was Central Michigan's ST Coach in 2017, Special Teams Analyst for MSU from 2018-2019 and UF's Special Teams Quality Control Coach (per his wiki)

I think he'd be qualified.

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Anyone else feeling a little concerned that we have not announced more hires yet? Asking for a friend.

yes but I keep telling myself that they may still be coaching. However since Championship weekend is over it's is getting a little harder to convince myself that is the case. However Pry's announcement was on a Tuesday afternoon so there is still a chance it happens today or soon. All this to say I have no idea what is going on haha.

Holmon Wiggins Is still coaching right now...

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Based on his twitter, he's in LA today, probably recruiting for Bama. I don't know if that means he's not considering offers or taking interviews, but today he seems to be continuing on at Bama.

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Does championship weekend mean much? Conference champion or not, maybe it's about a bowl game, which means the timespan might be pretty big. If a run of the mill bowl doesn't matter as much, I guess you could read in playoffs, but then that stretches pretty long as well, and it would be increasingly obvious that was the circumstance. I'm as anxious as everyone else, but also assuming there are reasons why it hasn't been announced yet (and not because the selection hasn't been made).

Complete speculation here...Cignetti from JMU as OC. He is still coaching JMU in the FCS playoffs.

i thought i was supposed to be excited by our OC hire and i'm not sure i would be excited if Cignetti is the OC choice. he's been outta FBS for a decade

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yes, went from position coach to head coach. Has been successful everywhere he has gone. The trajectory of his career has been solid, varied, and has worked under some really good football coaches and minds. I think he'd be a fantastic OC.

I should clarify -- when he left Bama to take the D2 HC job at IUP, Big East champ UConn got an automatic bid to a BCS bowl

if he can do the job, great -- but he's been down a level or two for quite some time and the landscape has changed quite a bit

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Honestly, I feel like Fuente's staff was filled up almost immediately (with his guys or retaining some of Bud's guys). So, I'm willing to wait it out and see how it shakes out. I think there is just so much coaching change this year that it will take a little bit longer for the dust to settle.

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Yeah, the sheer amount of staff turnover this year is probably complicating things. There are a lot of schools looking for coaches, but on the other hand there are also a lot of coaches to choose from. Interviews take time, especially extremely detailed ones.

Fuente was a head coach and already had a staff to bring along. He didn't have to worry about what state he was leaving Memphis in, as the new coach would likely have been installing his own staff. I think his only concern was making sure that Memphis had enough coaches around for their bowl game. Meanwhile, keeping Bud and most of his staff took care of 1/3 to 1/2 of the positions.

Pry being a DC doesn't have a pre-made staff to bring along and he's intentionally not decimating PSU's staff.

Why should it be a concern?

ESD is coming up.

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I've held my tongue on this topic long enough.

We are not a quick turnaround, ACC championship in year 1 rebuild. Arch Manning is not committed to us and anxiously awaiting a hire. ESD means almost nothing in this case when it comes to hiring the right leadership for our offense. You take the time to identify the right cultural/talent/leadership fit to lead the offense and build for years 2-4.

Do you still actively recruit current commits and share what vision you have and how they might fit in? Absolutely.

Not sure why you're upset by this?

Pry hit the road right away, recruiting is of utmost importance. Not suggesting we just hire some random OC to get them in seat earlier, but a long delay will take a toll on the recruiting class and may have an impact on players transferring/declaring.

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I should clarify that it wasn't specifically your post that got me to the point of being "upset" - it was the fact that I keep seeing this pop up as a line of thinking. I keep projecting thoughts that some people actually think we need to hire someone/anyone prior to ESD. I'd rather get a good hire that I can't announce until after ESD than I would settle for a candidate I'm not thrilled with in the interest of having a staff in place prior to that date. Ironically I also assumed that it was highly likely that your reply would be along the lines of the one you posted. I am in full agreement with what you just said above.

ALL of that being said - I'm not really sure why I let it bother me so much either. None of us on this message board have any semblance of leverage over making any decisions within the athletic department (that I know of). I think I just enjoy the "sports bar" disagreements and banter. This is the first time I've cared enough about VT football since probably year 3 of Fuente for me to make an overly hard stance on something so minor.

counterpoint: the ACC is complete trash right now so it is absolutely conceivable that we could win it in year 1 with even modest improvements on both sides of the ball.

That said, I don't think it's fair, or reasonable, to set that as any sort of expectation. I've talked myself into being okay with not hearing anything about offensive coaches at the moment. Pry has hired a couple of guys who are absolute ace recruiters and he's very busy hitting the trail with those guys to get in front of recruits and their families ahead of ESD - he's clearly prioritizing keeping the current class together and making the most out of the situation he's in. He probably doesn't have the time that he needs/wants to make the best decision regarding hiring an OC. I don't hate the strategy. He seems to believe that it's more important to get out in front of recruits quickly and begin fostering those relationships than sitting in a dark room reviewing hours and hours of film of prospective OCs before reaching out and making some phone calls. He'll recruit this week. Maybe he'll spend some time next week working on hiring an OC. Time will tell.

Onward and upward

I'm thinking he may all ready have the OC and the new OC has the freedom to find their assistants. Though, chatter about an OC is very quiet so maybe not.

I'm in this camp. I would say the OC has already been chosen and contract presented. Pen won't meet paper until other duties (bowl game or something else) is complete. Pry wouldn't be out flying all around to recruits if no OC decision hadn't already been made.

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I don't disagree. The ACC is ripe for the taking right now and with the right moves we could get ourselves ahead of schedule. I should have been more clear that we don't appear to have a talent-deep, experienced roster with a once in ten years quarterback or other generational talent who could lead us to an ACC championship/NY6/Playoff berth.

Could we win it? Absolutely. Would I make hotel reservations in Charlotte? No.

I mean, I know we want to lock these guys down now, but I don't totally understand the line of reasoning that if we don't lock everyone down on ESD that this years recruiting class is automatically trash. I mean, if I'm a recruit why not wait and see how all these staff changes play out and just sign later? I think this is not a normal recruiting year for anyone right now.

This cycle is all sorts of crazy with the possibility of more dominos falling. If we are targeting guys that have interest from multiple schools they're could be a lot of negotiating going behind the scenes. Some could also be waiting to see if something else opens up.

Some could also be waiting to see if something else opens up.

Just my 2 cents on this, if we have offered someone or expressed interest, and they are waiting on something else to open up, I am not sure I would want them anyway.

What's the latest in the rumor mill on the offensive staff? Anything?

I heard Belichick debating stepping down to be our OC.

Rumors only

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If it gets us wins I'm down for it

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This makes me want to drop kick him right in the face. Thank God he's gone.

When I see him make that face I hear the sound of the Hokie Bird on 3rd down.

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whenever I see this GIF I like to pretend he was being marched off to jail for accessory to assault charges for coaching his OL to cut from the side and chop block all the time

This really looks like he is drunk and being arrested.

Probably for Assault by Chop-Block.

C'mon at least be reasonable.

I heard that Sean McVay was in Blacksburg this weekend.

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I heard Belichick debating stepping down up to be our OC.

FTFY

Patience.

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Haven't heard of him...can you link to bio?

/s - in case it wasn't abundantly clear

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Shit, nobody on this site is patient when it comes to VT football.

I mean I'm ready for next season to start...let's go!!!

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That is not a virtue I have EVER seen on a message board!!!

i might know the reason for that

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I would think it would be optimal to have an OC named before ESD. There's no way recruits know who it will be, otherwise it would have been leaked.

Is it normal to not have any offensive hires before the OC is named? I figure the OC would want input, but at this point it would be nice to have at least one hired to tear up the recruiting trail.

Recruits are just as quiet about their commitment. This will be their new OC, they don't want to ruin a relationship by leaking him.

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I'm dyin' to meet him

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

"Here's our new OC, leak it and we pull your offer" πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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Thanks Frank!

"I'm your top ranked recruit and have a gazillion other P5 offers. Really want to play chicken?"

FSU LB Coach Chris Marve apparently has been offered the DC job at VT

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He recruited Orji's brothers to Vandy, per Chris Coleman:

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I feel like any of our announced coaching hires could potentially be a DC which speaks to the level of coaches we're bringing in.

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I feel like that's also a reflection on Coach Pry as well. He's able to pull quality guys on that side of the ball. If he can get some equally impressive offensive staff, we might have a soup goin.

I also kind of feel like it will be more like was Aqib Talib said on Peyton and Eli last night about Bill Belicheck when asked if he sat in on the defensive meetings or if he let the DC handle it. Talib's response? "Bill is the DC"

In that regard I think Brent Pry is the DC

This hire would confuse me. Both Jones and Quinn have DC experience but Marve doesn't. In addition, in reading up on Marve, seems like he has been a decent recruiter, but not anything special, at least at FSU, which has to be easier to recruit to than Vandy. Am I missing something?

This would be wild. Hearing maybe Nebraska though?

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Mark Whipple is a very good OC. Speculation that its family related tho. Maybe his family wants to move to Nebraska

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I'm applying the /s here for someone wanting to leave Pittsburgh for Lincoln, Nebraska

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Lincoln is actually a nice city but I'm just combining sources. Lots of smoke that he's Nebraska's next OC. Some sources saying its family related. Regardless his contract was up at Pitt.

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Interesting to see how this plays out...Whipple definitely has a lot of experience, but has had mixed results and many stops over the years.

Not saying that he isn't any good, but things really fell into place for him this year with 9th-year SR. Kenny Pickett, a very underrated receiving Group, and an extremely weak ACC.

Feels a bit like a Coach on the Hot Seat (Frost), reaching out for the Hot Commodity on the market.

Either way, anything that is bad for Pat Narduzzi should bring joy to ones Soul.

I would love to have "things fall into" 7th best offense according to SP+. You could give any one of VT's offensive coordinators Tom Brady, Calvin Johnson, Barry Sanders, and an elite O-line and I doubt we crack top 25 offense. Obviously in jest, but Whipple has made something happen in Pittsburgh that VT fans have only dreamt about.

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You could make an argument that 2016 was that for us.

New offensive system, transformative talent at QB, and tremendous receiving group. Everything kind of came together--after that, with some tape on us and without Evans to bail him out, Corn flamed out quickly. Biggest difference is ACC was actually quite good in 2016.

VT's offense SP+ rank was 39th in 2016. You don't obtain a top 10 offense by things merely falling in place. Coincidentally, Pitt had the 4th best offense in 2016 with Matt Canada, which is probably more like lightning in a bottle than Whipple, but probably safe to say Canada >> any VT coordinator.

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Something must be going on. They just won the ACC. This can't be performance related.

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

Probably wanted to get paid and Narduzzi thinks he can still win with any OC combined with his defense.

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After watching the introductory press conferences for both Coach Brent Pry and Billy Napier, I'm very pleased with how things turned out.

Can you elaborate? What did Napier say relative to Pry that made you feel that way?

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Wow, he really knows how to get a crowd fired up about recruiting

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I didn't think you could lose a presser but that clip has been everywhere and can't be a good look

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Whoa boy. Can't say this excites me if I'm a gator fan.

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Time to start BowenUp on offense.

I got serious Fuente vibes from that.

You're reaction should be more of an evil joker smile it's Florida if they suck it's fine

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Yep said the same in the other thread.

That's a losers mentality right there where you are already tempering expectations to that results will not be what the people are expecting. It might be true, but you don't outright say it. Focusing on explaining away the bad rather than emphasizing the good generally means you've already accepted that things are gonna suck for a while. (I should know, my manager called me out on this same thing during annual planning last week... Apparently 40% employee attrition without getting many sniffs on our active postings isn't a reason why management shouldn't expect more deliverables next year than we've had in the past few)

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A good friend of mine (UF Alum) said to me, "Well at least he's going to recruit (referencing what Dan Mullen said)."

He's not wrong.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Watching this makes feel like VT dodged a bullet with Napier...time will tell

Is holmon Wiggins someone worth a shot on offense?

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I like him but with how much money we seem to be sitting on for assistant salary, I would be pretty disappointed if that's the OC hire

I honestly have no idea just floating a name I know is all. He did coach a Heisman winner and has done very well at bama but no idea if he would be worth a shot at OC.

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Hey he's also Alabama's assistant head coach of offense. Whatever that means. Supposedly Saban really values/respects him.

Wiggins coming back would be great but with a defensive HC, I think our OC really needs to be someone with play calling experience.

I know that Bama is just flat out loaded with talent (captain obvious gif), but Wiggins has also been around a lot of great offensive coaches since he left VT. Kiffen, Sarkisian, BOB. He's probably absorbed a lot. Should he be an OC? I really don't know, but his time has to be coming soon.

I also think that Marve is not going to be making $1M+ as a first time DC. It seems like Pry has saved quite a bit of money to use on the offensive side of the ball.

Tech Sideline podcast mentioned Wiggins. With Alabama being in the playoffs and no OC being announced for VT, it stands to reason this could be a thing. I'm not opposed to it for two reasons: first he has seen a lot of successful offfensive coaches and secondly players actually developed under him when he was at VT.

IF it is Wiggins, how long can VT realistically wait before announcing? Bama's playoff game isn't until 12/31.

I think it is time for a Part II thread.

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Not confirmation but seems like a good sign.

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It's not a bad sign that the delay on him being officially announced as part of the staff had to do with him mulling other competitive offers. That's just more evidence that he is a desirable assistant coach, and someone worth retaining.

maybe that's why we haven't heard anything about the OC yet...I guess Cornelsen is probably mulling other offers too

Onward and upward

I'm sure the offers from all the high school JV teams are rolling in. Not sure he's qualified.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I'm not trying to defend Corn, but when it works....it works. He's had some very well called games over the years. This year's ND game was one of his best called games at VT. Corn seemed to always have a way to beat UNC. He had offers after the 2017 and 2018 seasons, and stuck it out with Fu.

So, it wouldn't surprise me to see him at a Texas St, or even a McNeese St type school, where his offense can excel against less talented competition.

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Yeah, we have definitely won some games and scored a lot of points. I'll keep saying this - I think his offense can absolutely work, the big challenge for him appears to be not understanding well enough the characteristics he needs in players for it to work well. I feel like he lucked into Fuente bringing Evans on board in 2016 and having the right pieces surrounding him, then at other times as well. Another large part might be his apparent inability to adapt based on or disinterest in watching opponent game film and adjusting his scheme based on the opponent, so always trying to do the same things and just alternating plays to throw a defense off, rather than adjusting the actual plays to be more effective against certain defenses, or maybe just having different plays that are effective against specific types of defenses and understanding which ones you need to run against which defense (hope that made sense).

Fook yeah!

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I've been thinking about the situation where there's smoke/rumor that the OC is already known to those internal to the program, but hasn't been announced yet. Is the OC someone who has something to play for right now with his current team?

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A few people have said that, and I'm not sure I 100% believe it?

Feels like it would have leaked...

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Agreed, not sure how they could control the leaks. Of course, if this coach was someone who is in the CFP right now the ramifications of a leak could be all the motivation to keep it quiet. TSL was floating Holmon Wiggins but again...no one really knows anything. I'd bet it is someone still involved with something or they just haven't found the right person yet.

With the HC carousel going on right now, there will also be an assistant carousel. Competition for HCs generates competition for assistants as well.

I think that the line of thinking that the OC's team is still playing meaningful football makes sense, and Whit could have a signed agreement in place but I'd be amazed if recruits were being told who it was and *no one* has leaked it.

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