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Leonard's picture Leonard | 10 years 8 months # | Piecaken - the end to the pie vs. cake debate?

From the article...

It's a spiced poundcake with layers of pecan pie and pumpkin pie, topped with upside-down apple pie, slathered in cinnamon buttercream and edged in oat struessel

It's 3/4 pie to 1/4 cake. Why? Because even the Dodo Bird that thought this up knows that pie is better.

PhantomJB93's picture PhantomJB93 | 10 years 8 months # | Foster reportedly a candidate for Illinois HC JOB

I don't think that's an unrealistic timeline at all. It's not like this team is a dumpster fire right now, it's a .500 team that many agree is probably more talented than their record and is poorly coached. The new coach is coming into a situation where, while a playoff appearance isn't expected out of the gate, a quick turn-around to ACC relevance in a year or two absolutely is.

With our resources and schedule situation, I think the new coach should absolutely be on the hotseat if he can't bring us at least very, very close to the ACCCG within 3 years. If we're still hovering at 6-8 wins in three years that is a problem.

VPIhokieME's picture VPIhokieME
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| 10 years 8 months # | Foster reportedly a candidate for Illinois HC JOB

I'll admit that I said that and I'll admit that I was wrong. Loeffler was able to do everything except teach the fundamentals to the players. I didn't account for that in my estimation. I never thought someone in his position would struggle with teaching fundamentals to this degree. You're also conveniently excluding my quote about how our O-line was in such bad shape that it would be at least a 4-5 year rebuild. We won't get more into that. At this point all of this is moot. I think if there is anything we can all agree on, it's that Loeffler will not be in Blacksburg next season.

That being said, I never once said, or even implied, that I have "zero optimism in Bud." I think Bud is a terrific DC. I don't know if he will be retained. I would love for him to be but I don't know if it's realistic. And, to be quite honest, I think the best thing for Bud would be to move on to something different. I would love for him to follow his dream of becoming a Head Coach. He needs to start at a lower level, though, IMO. Frank started at Murray State before coming back to VT. And VT wasn't anywhere close to the same job it is now when Frank did it. I don't think VT would ever have considered a head coach with zero HC experience back in the 80's. They sure as heck aren't going to start now.

thegadfly's picture thegadfly | 10 years 8 months # | Foster reportedly a candidate for Illinois HC JOB

I really don't understand how someone can make these hopelessly optimistic comments as

"He will field an effective offense in a few years once he brings in the right players. Right now he's working with a slew of TEs and RBs converted to other positions." -VPIhokieME on Loeffler

with little to no evidence and yet have zero optimism in Bud. If you recall, Bud has fielded single digit ranked defenses multiple years and Loeffler has not even sniffed that even with BCS talent at Auburn. Not to mention that you were high on LT3 and thought he would make it in the pros.

aopp12's picture aopp12 | 10 years 8 months # | The fixation of keeping Bud

Your point is well taken about the quality of the defense. That being said, I'm not sure if you and I are in disagreement about the expectations for Hokie football, but I think it's ABSOLUTELY necessary that the program change course now. Our current course is miles away from acceptable.

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