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MB for Mike Barber. Now Mark Berman on the other hand...
Loeffler was the QB coach at Michigan when UF won that national title. Loeffler only coached Tebow for his senior year.
Okay, Thanks! So many names flying around..I know I like AB...now I just gotta remember we like MB
I love aggression of our new coaches. I have full confidence in Lefty to relentlessly pursue the option that will make us the best team NOW and in the Future. I know this spring will be ripe for QB competition and Lefty will take the cream of the crop.
yes we do and that's fine, though without you offering an explanation I don't really get how you see it the way you do. But let me ask you this.
If we had a true freshman Glennon, Druck, Randall, Deshazo in this same group with Ford, Durkin, McMillian then you still believe that someone from the first group would beat those in the 2nd group for the starting position? Despite none of those in the first group being highly sought after QBs coming into college (not totally sure about DeShazo)?
I'm not saying that these new QBs will out-perform what the previous ones did in their career but from an incoming freshman standpoint these 2014 recruits are developed far beyond the previous Hokies, and regarded quite highly. That's why I think these new kids would win the job, and thus why i believe you should see it more positively.
Don't forget about Duane Brown, probably one of the best OT in the game right now playing for the Texans. Also, Bryan Randle is QB for the arena league Philadelphia Soul.
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I think we just see the 4 options for 2014 through a different lense.
Transfers go where they have a chance to play immediately. Hasn't Dabo already stated that Boyd's backup is now QB1?
Nice.
Good highlight on his football smarts and finger catching.
Understand about size issues and the indicator that he's ready if gets open vs the FFCBs.
Excellent write up.
Thanks.
Loeffler was UF OC 2009-2010. The dual QB (with Leak/Tebow) was in 2006.
Dual QB system can absolutely work. However, they cannot be opposity system guys. The Leak/Tebow (or Duke 2013) are perfect examples. If one guy is a change of pace guy and doesn't require different personnel or playbook it will work.
All of what French just said, plus I was being sarcastic and speaking about Moorehead's dominance more than actually winning the award.
Mike Barber is a reporter I trust. I link / cite to him all the time.
As stated, none, except for Leal, have ever played a game, so I find it very hard to believe that this is the case. Your qualifying your statement on how you know the previous VT QB's played, not how they would perform if coming fresh into this year's QG competition. What we do know is that the QB recruits we got are considered a highly desirable class, and the QBs we have may have a lot to show that we have not seen. Leal has one half of a game and mop up duty in others, and very limited mop up duty at that.
However I would classify those you listed like this:
- Mike: No question. Everyone knew he would be big time and he was.
- Marcus: No question that he was the biggest flop in VT QB history and the worst Hokie, also set us back as a program IMO. I would take any QB we now have over Marcus sight unseen purely because even they have not taken a single snap in practice they are already more dependable than this idiot.
- Tyrod: The people's champion. Loved watching him play, wish he had better OL. Needed a redshirt year though.
- LT: As stated, had we this crop of QBs the year he came in he would have stayed at TE. That being said one of my favorites.
- Randall: My favorite Hokie. Natural leader that willed teams to win. But was not meant to be QB1. Grant Noel went down and Marcus pulled a Marcus and got suspended for off field legal woes. This was a blue collar Hokie performing over his expectations, filling in for other players coaches believed his better.
- Druck: No question this guy would win games, but really? I "knew" him somewhat. He is not someone who you would want to command your offense if you had the choices of other natural QBs who frankly can understand the playbook and break down film. There is no way Druck would win the job over these kids if he was in this same class. Lefty's system would give him fits to understand and he would have no chance at making the correct reads and calls on the field, and he is no where near as mobile as Lefty needs them to be. I loved him playing
- DeShazo: Also someone like Randall that could will a win and played beyond expectations on him. lets not forget that he was throwing to Freeman.
- Glennon: Unfortunately with Marcus being such a loser in life Glennon was put in too early. He needed more time to develop into a polished signal caller, which led to Tyrod burning a redshirt, which led to LT3 coming in at QB perhaps a year early.
So if you put each of these in as a freshman with this new group:
Mike, Tyrod - would win the job
LT3 - would stay at TE
Randall, DeShazo, Glennon, Druck - IMO would not win the job.
Marcus - would win the job but would then get suspended and then win the job and then get suspended for stomping on a defenders leg on national tv and then win the job and then get expelled.
Lol at "pay close attention at the 47.4 second mark"!
"I love his footwork. The kid tackles. He gets it."
Mike Mayock on Fuller during the combine.
I think the Malleck injury had a lot to do with the Loeffler Sampler Offense we saw. Even once Kline was up and performing in the passing game, he really struggled controlling the edge. That threw everything up in the air for Loeffler.
Hopefully with three quality TE's this year, we get back to something more cohesive.
Not only can two QBs be successful, but wasn't Loeffler at UF when Leak and Tebow won a national championship?
I think Duke surprised a lot of people last year with a good defense and a strong red-zone package using two QBs to win the coastal.
I wouldn't jump to conclusions about two QB's not working out, esp. if they have different styles of play.
There were definitely some questionable situations and play calls, and I am not saying LT was our only weapon. He was the primary weapon and the best athlete on the field. I'm thinking of the following:
1. Inexperienced WRs, with only Knowles and Coles having any real experience. Coles coming back from injury left a lot of questions.
2. Malleck goes down right before the season starts after Loeffler had designed offensive game plans around him. We turn to a true freshman in Kalvin Cline who had all of about 10 games of football under his belt, ever.
3. O-line needed an overhaul and it remained to be seen what Grimes could do. We started a true freshman on the O-line vs. Bama for the first time (in how long? ever?) under Beamer.
4. We knew Trey had talent, but he had never seen the field in real game action. JC shows some flashes but is not consistent. Mangus was shifting around positions and we had yet to realize what a beast Sam Rogers is.
Given all that, I'd say Loeffler developed and adjusted his strategy as the season went on based on what he saw and what the guys were learning. I also think there were far too many variables at play last year to be fully confident in anything, but I was just pleased to see some semblance of a game plan that utilized the talent we had, rather than the O'cainspringsome "draw it up in the dirt and hope it works" approach.
I'm going to be a Negative Nancy for a minute, so I apologize in advance.
I think we have seen that Loeffler is very adept at using what he's got.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I want to beleive in Loeffler, and I'm willing to give him more time before I draw any hard conclusions, but no matter how I slice it, I can't accept that Logan was the only offensive weapon last year. I still think there were multiple games where either Loeffler didn't do a great job using the talent available to him or he completely forgot he had Trey Edmunds on the roster..
I think Loeffler is trying to get the best product out on the field this fall, and that means pursuing transfers and any other options.
Unfortunately that shows a vote of "no-confidence" in Leal, and that he doesn't expect any of the freshmen to be ready to run the entire show their first year.
My guess is we will see a split between Leal running pro-style and Durkin's veer running game, with the running game taking center stage next year. I also think that this style will produce better red-zone success, even with a step down in QB talent from last year to this year.
So don't worry when Leal is voted most improved in spring ball. DO WORRY if the defense out-scores the offense (like last year.)
Well, because 'MERICA
Yeah, a healthy Al Clark is Mark Leal's ceiling. Actually, no way Leal can run as well as AC could.
Rumor has it that Joe wears clunky black frame glasses and changes in phone booths when he's not doing journalistic backflips for TKP.
Not especially fast is relative. Joe Haden is considered a true shut-down corner and he ran a 4.57 forty at the combine (he did better at UF's pro day). Richard Sherman ran a 4.54. People have been commenting how Exum still looks hampered by his injury, which was compounded by the recent ankle issue. By the time VT's pro day rolls around, he will have had more time to heal and should post a better time.
He is fortunate that he has the size and toughness to thrive in a system that emulates Seattle with bigger corners that challenge receivers closer to the line of scrimmage, which will be more and more popular to combat the passing offenses like Denver and New England. He just has to hope that a team sees past the extended recovery time and will give him time to get back to the level he playing at towards the end of the 2012 season.