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14 is too many
VT in '99 (4) and '07 (4)
FSU '98 (4), '99 (4), '00 (4), '03 (1)
Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
16 is the correct number for ACC possibilities, but you did not list FSU in 2000. that chart is awesome
The ratings he shows is exactly what they mean to be: tv ratings. This means that it isn't a valuation of performance, which, as you suggest, fluctuates often, but of the consumer base for the school's sports. That is why we had decent basketball ratings last year even though we weren't great, and that is why Miami had good football ratings last year even though they weren't great. In my opinion, short term performance probably only makes a +-10% difference on consumer base. Ex. Notre Dame, Miami. That is why valuation is best determined in this way.
Also consider, however, that a school's value to a conference isn't just tv ratings (just mostly tv ratings, since tv ratings = $)
They can go to the Big 12 without a buyout but they have to take BC with them.
Can you continue to rely on past performance to predict the future? If so what explains Notre Dame? When was the last time they were really relevant in football (beside TV ratings)?
I have a problem with putting valuation on amatuer sports. I know it factors into TV deals, bowl games, and the BCS but there needs to be some balance with all this. Money should not be the primary concern..
More in-state tatlent is staying in-state. Which means both Uva and VT are getting them.
this kid is an absolute beast. look 1:02 in the first video he manhandles that o tackle
they sure did deliver that northeastern market huh?
I will try to check that math sometime this week, but it seems like it is roughly accurate. The two big shortcomings are that it only considers 2011 data and it excludes post-season play (think sugar bowl).
Very interesting, though. The guy did a good job with the data that he did use.
because my wife is an Iowa grad (although neither of us are big b-ball fans)
There lagging ticket sales won't come up when they are in a Big XII division that features games against WVU, Kansas, Iowa State, etc. They could make up the money for the buyout in a few years possibly with the new deal but attendance issues are likely to continue and might be worse for awhile until the "they are back" possibly comes for real. The would probably lose out on an annual matchup with Miami as well which is one of their sure fire sellouts as well.
ACC looks to be in a bad situation in which the only way they could save face is Hail Mary of getting Notre Dame, far fetched for it to happen but I still have some hope
If FSU leaves then VT needs to jump on the SEC bandwagon w/ NC State
They're supposed to be the football anchors in the conference and they've got a combined 1 ACC title since the 2003 expansion (and as a buddy reminded me, FSU required some horrendous officiating to win that game). FSU has no room to complain. They haven't been pulling their weight, and if it wouldn't hurt the conference I'd love for them to tell FSU to get out.
What do the Noles think will happen? Suddenly theyll be "back"? Will they suddenly be able to beat UT, OU, and whoever else is good in the XII in a given year all of a sudden when they cant even beat Wake now. Will those lagging tic sales go up when Iowa St or Baylor roll into town? How far will their closest conference game be? Morganhole?
Just seems like some overly proud man who fondly remembers the good ol days a bit too much is puffing his chest out on a message board and all of a sudden the sky is falling.
will be very much the same move Texas AM made. A move to stir a dying and stale fan base but the kicker is no matter what move you make you are still playing second fiddle to bigger opposition inside the conference so you have to play the $$$ angle or the move makes zero sense (no pun intended)
http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1365254
He lists the pros and cons, and really makes the thing quite cut and dry, while at the same time infinitely more perplexing. Is FSU better off making more money in the Big 12 than they have in the ACC, but playing against more competitive teams with bigger purses in a Texas first, football second league?
They're going to ask for demands that cannot be met in order to make things messy, abd provide a concrete reason for leaving the league with hopes of making the $20M exit fee more manageable.
The new ACC tv deal was definitely disappointing. I think we can all agree on that.
Haggard stepped in it here. He was wrong about third-tier rights. He was wrong to bash the way this contract is structured when pretty much all contracts are structured the same way. As HokieV said, he looks like a doofus now. And it's never good when the head honcho looks like a doofus. That kind of guy doesn't handle it well, and it wouldn't surprise me if the next thing he does is even stupider. Hopefully he has enough sense to shut up and wait for this to blow over. I won't be counting on that.
VT to the SEC isn't going to happen, no matter how much anyone wants it, unless the ACC breaks apart.
I'd say there's a good chance ND is in the ACC 10 years from now. More and more things are slowly starting to push them that direction. But the ACC will have to be healthier than it looks today for that to happen. No defections. Improved on-field performance.
Miami has academic standards? Who knew...
If FSU leaves, and Clemson goes with it (I think more likely than Miami), then the ACC essentially becomes the Big East of yesteryear. And the ACC has no play, no chips to improve it's current deal, unless they get the luck of the Irish on their side. If the ACC doesn't get ND on board in the next few years, the ACC media deal will continue to be the lowest of all major conferences. The SEC, B1G, and B12 will get richer, as they have shorter contracts and when they do expand, will likely get better teams than Syracuse and Pitt.
All in all, the media contract outlook is kinda grim for the ACC, and I completely understand the FSU sentiment, deserved or not. I just don't know if the FSU can actually afford the exit fee; I guess it depends on how the exit fee was written up. If they gotta pay it all upfront, that's a huge immediate burden. If they can pay it overtime, let's say 7 years, what is stopping them?
I just hope VT really does have that ace in their back pocket and can join "God's Conference," if it comes down to that. The window opportunity will not be open forever.
It's not going to happen. VT and FSU are, mostly, the only names from the ACC that football people care about. Clemson is borderline because they do have a strong football following, but most other teams in the ACC that are thrown in a football conversation get a quick chuckle and a roll of the eyes. (Georgia Tech has had 15 minutes of fame the past few years, but that flame will die out quick...I've been to GaTech on many gamedays and it's terrible, and most of ATL likes UGA anyways).
The ACC will not get the chance to earn respect like you are mentioning unless something drastically changes in the next 10 years.
(We will be better than P12 in the next few years because USC is their only team, in my opinion, that has a consistent program.)
VT is looking for a few good men to play basketball at a high level!
I think this just shows ACC has greater parity. The bottom of the "top" conferences are very bad. The top play some very weak OOC games. But they do seem to win some of the big OOC games. There are not that many big OOC games between top teams. I am not sure there is a way to correlate on field success with media coverage or vice versa. A lot of it is marketing and brand name recognition.
I can't say I'm a big fan of her's, but have you been reading the ESPN blog recently? These guys make HD look like a professional journalist. They're just straight awful.