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His finalists are Florida and Alabama. I have to think Saban invades and conquers in Virginia again.
This may not have been the best way to handle the situation, but I can't say I'm sad to see him go. I was beyond tired of the late game collapses and complete offensive ineptitude.
While watching the press conference live I got the feeling that Jim Weaver was heated, and was trying to hold back a lot of emotion. During the season Weaver said time and time again Seth had his full support. Now, he's fired. Sometime between the end of the season and today Seth must have pissed Weaver off. For me that explains the timing, Weaver's 180° change of position, and the lack of courtesy with regards to notifying Seth.
In reality he probably deserved another season. Seth and his staff did a great job recruiting all the raw talent on the roster, and he should've gotten another year at a tourner run. However, there's never a perfect time to cut the cord, and it's messy. Moving forward we're banking on Weaver making a hire that might be over his head, salvaging a recruiting class, and keeping the boatload of talent in Blacksburg.
A big thank you to Coach Greenberg. He didn't get us to the top of the mountain, but we're not buried under a foot of snow at the base.
I tried to say this on twitter, but clearly the 150 character limit cramped my ability to speak clearly.
Seth Greenberg was the Hokies head coach for 8 seasons. Based on reputation and Rivals ratings, the talent level on those 8 teams was the highest it has been in Blacksburg for as long as I can remember. Yet, there was not a a run in the tournament, and while many of those teams were shorted by the selection committee, the Hokie mens basketball team often lost out on those bids because they underperformed against teams that had less talent.
I make the argument that Greenberg should be canned because his players never got better. They never learned how to run an offensive set against a zone defense. There never was a true floor general, or a strong low post game. Ball movement didn't exist. The only thing Seth had to hang his hat on was the level of success the Hokies had against Duke. However, Duke played right into the Hokies strengths by almost exclusively playing man defense. Check Seth's performance against Boston College, especially lately? It takes the steam out of the Duke blather.
So, the argument for keeping Greenberg is that the talent level underachieved. Fine. Who recruited them? Wasn't Greenberg supposed to have a keen eye for talent to go with his slick tongue for salesmanship? His recruiting ability was the only argument for keeping him, so how do you say that the talent wasn't good enough for him to win. Either he recruited guys who weren't good enough, or he took guys with raw talent and didn't do anything to make them better. Either way, both are cause for a fresh start in the program. When you add the other variables, such as assistants leaving, transfers bailing, poor relationships with his superiors in the athletic department, the rumors of poor disciplne, his public gaffes (assistant pay-gate) and a ton of stories floating about boorish behavior, the equation is clear. Virginia Tech, long term, will be better off without Seth Greenberg as the head coach.
I can't imagine they haven't at least gauged interest thus far. If they are doing this and starting from square one then I agree this is a bad decision. However, I would bet that they already have a relatively short list and their A and B options are perceived as better than Greenberg, especially when you consider he had no assistant coaches left.
Do we have a shot with Allen?
Jeff Capel, Shaka Smart, Tim Floyd?
Starting my #DANNYCOALE4VT campaign now.
I thought it was very interesting that Lemming has Jonathan Allen rated higher than Kendall Fuller. Allen is absolutely a perfect fit for the way the Hokies play defensive end.
I watched film on Parker and Hodges. Hodges has a better arm and needs work on his mechanics, particularly his hop step that he takes before he throws. Parker is a fantastic runner. I had questions about his arm strength, but his athleticism coupled with his sharp decision-making in the running game really makes him an intriguing prospect. I am very excited to see how he his growth for his senior seasons.
yep, tough to really get a feel from those. I want to see the mesh points in the read option game and I want to see if the Hokies see the current stable of tailbacks as viable inside runners.
Remember, if the Hokies don't have a tailback that can run up the middle, then the staff runs the risk of overusing Logan Thomas in the running game. Logan Thomas getting beat up/hurt will end any hopes of a successful season, and he will be running for the NFL sooner rather than later.
TSL is an absolute shit-show right now.
the earlier kendall fuller commits, the more it helps with the rest of the class .. not to mention, the coaches can shift their focus to the rest of their targets ... i think a previous poster was right .. o'daniels was supposed to wait also but he didn't. there are a few GC kids left .. but aside from getting his boys some looks, when kendall fuller knows where he's gonna commit, i think he may go ahead and do it .. to help him team
btw -- we just landed carlis parker too
I am okay if he delays to the AA game. It's about time someone committing to VT did it at that game. It would be a big shout out to us.
It's not complete film but there are highlights at www.hokiesports.com/videos/football
Not gonna be enough to tide me over for 4 months
after this travesty.
I don't like this. I understand the problems people have had with Seth: The close but no cigar year after year with the NCAA, the sideline antics, and some of the ugly looking play we put out. But at the same time, I think he's a good coach, our recruiting had really picked up, and I think good things were on the way.
Much more importantly though, I feel like this out of the blue press conference technique is bush-league. It's what lesser schools do to lesser coaches. Doesn't seem respectful of what Seth did do for the program, which even his detractors would have to admit is an awful lot. I was there when we transitioned from Ricky to Seth, and the difference was palpable. I know a lot was pumped into the program in our switch to the ACC, but a lot was Seth's energy and enthusiasm too. I think he deserved another year. But at the very least, I think the firing should have been handled a little better.
I know none of that was original thinking. But it helped me to put it all down on the screen here, and as always, I appreciate TheKeyPlay being here for those purposes. You guys rock.
he has a show cause penalty til 2014 he wont coach again til then
I could never watch another VT hoops game again.
Don't like the way they did it to Seth either. If it is in fact true that he knows nothing about it that's a crappy way to tell someone they're fired.
Send Bruce Pearl our way!
i think people are soon going to realize how incredibly hard of a sell this job is going to be to find a replacement, especially now that its almost may. not happy with this
As Coach Beamer can attest, there is more to being a successful collegiate coach then bringing in highly ranked recruting classes.
If Seth is being fired, hopefully we bring someone in who measures success in NCAA tournaments.
I wonder if all those assistants bolted because they knew this rumor may be true?
Seth did good work at VT, but 1 tourney appearance in 9 years isn't good enough. Last year was a real step back.
I thought Gordon and Delaney were exceptional PGs who were held back by too simple/too complex offensive schemes and the perpetual lack of a post presence.