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These are two different conversations. One is what the coach and receivers mindset should be. The other is how we as fans evaluate the coach/receivers in context of their situation and in context of the national landscape.
Also how do you account for success in an entirely different offensive style. In 12 years at PSU, Franklin never utilized a running QB like King that draws the focus of the defense away. What are our expectations on success in an entirely different offensive set?
Agree. I think it's an upgrade. A lot of P4 coaching and recruits well in a different area (GA/FL/Carolinas). We already have a ton of DMV recruiting ties on staff and the master of them all in this footprint is our head coach now, so smart to expand and branch out a bit with the staff. Brooks was good but basically extremely tied in with one school in particular in MD. I think it's a very good/smart hire on paper.
Rush offense is hard to judge, for instance yes their best back averaged 52 yards but their second guy averaged 40 so clearly thats a committee approach. Their yards per attempt were solid (4.3 & 7.3) but how do you judge that against run blocking? Would have to have some sort of advanced stats on rush success, yards over expectation.
I would hope the votes go to those who deserve to win and for no other reason. There's too much BS these days.
Mendoza deserved it, glad he got it.
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Lol, I love it when ND is the butt of the joke
Let's be fair here though...
I think alot of people are just trying to make sense of what the plan is here. After two successive stints of coaching ineptitude Hokie fans are more than rightful to carry a healthy level of skepticism.
From a Macro level, change was absolutely needed but the RB Coach was pretty clearly the one area where most of us felt we weren't lacking and change wasn't necessarily needed.
You look at Franklin's hires so far on Offense and they are "Franklin guys" with limited resumes, then he targets a RB Coach who doesn't appear to have any connection to him? We keep Mines who has been solid as a Recruiter, but meh-tastic as a WR developer??
We wholesale fire the Defensive Staff (and absolutely deservedly) but we re-hire the guy who hired all of them and put him in charge of the Defense??
You can't criticize people on one hand for being skeptical of retaining Pry and then also criticize them for being upset that a RB Coach that by all outward appearances was successful wasn't retatined--playing on both sides of the argument essentially.
2100 yards of that the last three seasons was Haynes King. The entire offense was run centric. It was about a 55/45 run pass offense this season. King had 178 of their 429 rushing attempts. Their best back averaged 52 yards per game this year. Last year it was 72.6 ypg. The year before that 81.5 ypg . Sorry if I am not blown away by those numbers in a run centric offense.
Well said!
Losing Overton would be bad but losing the access to The St James could be infinitely worse. It will be like when Fuente burned our bridges with the 7v7 program from Hampton/Va Beach area.
We are looking to hire the guy who had the best running attack in the conference for the last 3 years and people are still complaining about it.
Comical, really. Even when change is needed, people will handwring when it happens.
Some guy on reddit a couple of hours ago said his best friend's dad told him this was a done deal. Turns out maybe you can't discount 3rd hand information from randoms on the internet. Now I feel bad for that guy I cussed out who claimed his uncle worked for Nintendo
Yeah, don't like seeing that. Feels like the kind of connection where he's (JR in this case) gonna follow even if we upped his bag.
I'm with you man, those who are throwing great names out there didn't watch Jake Grove. That guy was on another level.
Not a fan of this decision. The rushing stats look good because of the offense. Jamal Haynes and Hosley were good but got a ton of space because teams had to attack King first. Franklin has never emphasized a running QB. Not known to be a great recruiter although he did well at Louisville coaching Javian Hawkins and Hassan Hall. Jury is way out for me but only time will tell.
Bring the Buster Faulkner playbook with you.
really upset over this tbh
I mean, it helps when you have a once in a decade qb like Haynes King...in CJMFF we trust but I'm sad we lose brooks and this is where it's leading.
And I'm not saying GT backs have been bad. What I'm saying is I'm not convinced this would be an upgrade.
Its also now in the nature of college football to see players follow a coach so if Brooks lands at a P4 I expect Overton to follow along with more future recruits out of The St James Academy which quietly has surged to a destination for athletes in the DMV and around the country. They were a National Contender in their first season this year. Their only loss this season was to St Francis Academy who played in the High School National Championship game.
All great WRs believe this.
Watch someone like Calvin Johnson. They aren't getting thrown pretty balls or even decent looking balls all the time. they are catching what gets thrown at their general vicinity any way they can.
I'm not saying it's not difficult but it is the reality of the position and mentality that you have to have.
As has been stated in multiple threads about the new staff - "In Franklin we trust."
If there's one thing Franklin did extremely well, outside of recruiting, it is that he always had a tremendous running game with NFL caliber backs.
here's hoping it's just about loving the man and not blaming the school. it's in the nature of college football for coaches to change so shouldn't be totally unexpected.
In theory, I agree 100%.
In practice, it's much more difficult than it sounds. Consistently getting passes that are just off target, or have a weird spin, or are moving in a slightly different direction than you are... all while you're being thrown directly into coverage is incredibly difficult to do on a consistent basis. Guys have a tendency to lose focus (the responsibility of the coach IMO) a little when things are consistently bad. I have a feeling our WRs have been dealing with their mental game just as much as the physical one. I also suspect we will see a significant change in the coming seasons.
Not saying D1 guys shouldn't be able to do it, but I think people underestimate the challenge it is.
WOW! The fan of a team that lost both of it's big games telling the guy who's last win was against the #1 team in the country on a neutral site that he had no big wins. Holy crap delusional!