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Norm Crosby would love this thread....especially how it enlargifies the Englishment of the language.
Wasn't he supposed to be transferring to JMU? Why is he still on our side of I-81?
I think you (and French) are blowing it out of proportion a bit. While we do run a lot of slants and stunts along the DL we do plenty of straight up D where the DT's attack the gap in front of them.
The only real fundamental difference is that we almost always run a single-gap, attack/penetrate assignment for our entire DL, where in the NFL the DT's are often tasked with holding 2 gaps rather than attacking one.
Bottom line is that our system gives DT's a chance to shine, a chance to make plays and get noticed by racking up TFL and sacks.
I think sometimes it gets to the physical attributes of the players that we've had. If Vince Hall was shorter than prototype he would've had a better shot at being in the NFL. If Xavier Adibi weighed more than 220 lbs at the NFL combine we would've been drafted higher. If Jason Worilids was bigger then he would've been able to stay at DE in the NFL.
In regards to recruiting it does limit VT to offering the front 7 guys with the quickness required for the scheme and those guys typically aren't as big unless they are one of the full package elite guys like Hand.
I think this analogy is dead on target. We have talented, passionate players, with TONS of upside. Plus, they WANT to be HOKIES. And they are going to leave a path of destruction and broken dreams scattered amongst their ACC foes and not a few non-conference unfortunates (Looking at you Ohio and Tennessee).
It's not about the competition instate, it's about the competition out of state. VT, UVA, and UMD have a difficult time keeping the top talent flooding out. Sure you can argue about Stefon Diggs and Damian Prince with UMD, and the Breds with UVA, but most of the talent is heading out of state to the South (or Ohio). And, until VT, UMD, or UVA get on that level, they're going to keep flooding out of state.
PIE!
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# | I'm new here and love this site, just wish I had known about it earlier. Great job! Note to self: gotta start watching hockey....
and this is a part of the reason Randy Shannon no longer has the head coaching job there.
Love the Avatar.
Woof! Woof!
"I don't fix-em, man, I just know how to drive 'em!"
I've tried to find good GIFs from Kelly's Heroes with no luck!
Dude's a thug and a mediocre player; I'm glad he's gone. It'll be interesting to see how things go now that he doesn't get the football player treatment.
And I personally know someone who was beat up by Holmes because Holmes was trying to steal drugs from him, so I'm not terribly inclined to show compassion for him.
I submit, then, Miami's 2008 class. Even the Cane fans I know still spit when they talk about that class.
And as far as pphils supporters here I apologize if I was hard on him, he is adorable just trying to portray the fact that things will warm up sooner rather than later
Only until VT has a 6'5" 310lb ahtletic monster go through the system and fail in the NFL, I will say Foster's scheme is untranslatable.
I just upvoted the crap out of this
Well there was a storm we were looking at this weekend that was looking like 18+ inches on the gfs but things kinda petered out. Its looking like slush sleet and a little snow mixed in...enough to make Georgia flip the hell out but the big gun will hit wed or Thursday and should be among the last few events this summer as of now I'd venture to say about 10+"
I agree and disagree.
French is absolutely right in the fact that Foster's system asks DT's to shoot gaps, not take on multiple blockers (Alabama and NFL style). However, what he's failed to mention is VT has never had a NFL-caliber DT (at least by size and weight). Hopkins and Maddy are not as tall as the typical NFL-DT, however their size is the closest we've had in a long while (Graves was tall, but super skinny). It will be interesting to see how they translate, as I think they're the two DTs that have gone through VT with close to NFL-size.
So yes, what is the reason VT has not had very successful DTs in the NFL? Is it the fact VT has never had a DT with prototypical NFL size? Or is it due to Foster's scheme? Only until VT has a 6'5" 310lb ahtletic monster go through the system and fail in the NFL, I will say Foster's scheme is untranslatable.
As for DBs, Foster's scheme puts them on islands with a lot of single coverage. NFL GMs love how prepared VT's DBs are for NFL style defenses. So, for VT DB's they are not only super-athletic, prototypical NFL-DBs, they are also super prepared by Foster's scheme.
I did read French's comment and here's the link:
http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/116648#comment-116648
It definitely is a hybrid defensive system that places a premium on speed but there are plenty of other systems that aren't typical in the front 7, I believe USC-E has some similarities (Spur vs Whip in their D). I still believe that if the underlying player matches what an NFL team wants that the player will be found but I do see how a player might want to play in a defense that matches more to the NFL.
Having a unique defensive system that doesn't match to the NFL isn't unique to VT and as well a lot of teams that have offensive systems that don't match the NFL can get good talent. Teams like Clemson, Texas A&M, and Ohio State can still get elite offensive talent even though they have offenses that are very different than NFL schemes.
but boo on you for not dropping her and finding another date
We tried. Another viable "date" supposedly was going to "commit on the spot" if we offered. We did, it didn't work out at the last minute when another hot chick (UGA) showed up to the party.
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# | Bitter blog - ESPN's Kiper: Second or third round 'viable' for Hokies QB Logan Thomas Anything above the fifth round for LT will be a draft day win for LT. If he goes below the fifth, it's a draft day steal for that team.
THIS. THREAD. IS. AWESOME!
Like GT and WRs, I don't know that our system teaches DBs an inherently different skill set than what is utilized in the NFL.
The differences in scheme and how they impact recruiting seem to apply specifically to the front 7, which would explain our success in the back of the field and our (relative) failures when it comes to recruiting and placing in the NFL players in the front of the field.
Just a thought, but wouldn't the radius around Blacksburg be a better marker of what recruits we shouldn't be missing out on? The Peninsula and South Hampton Roads are 5.5+ hours from the Burg. While obviously we shouldn't give up on recruiting the 757, wouldn't it make more sense to try and lock down Charlotte (>3hrs), Richmond (3.5hrs), DC (4.5hrs), etc?
It is a shorter or same length drive to Cincinnati, Columbus OH, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, The Triangle, Columbia SC... heck, Atlanta and Nashville are only 6hrs from Blacksburg. Now I know some of these cities have schools in them or whatever, but distance seems more important than state loyalty right? It isn't like these kids have to pay out-of-state tuition if they are on scholly!
Devin didn't get to the free throw line much last night because he wouldn't penetrate and try to score the ball. He kept trying to drive and kick it out. That's works in AAU U15, but now it's time to get to the basket every now and then.
A little pick and roll would help as well, but that would take some movement from players without the ball. So...yeah.
Guys, there is no reason to start such an aggresive arms escalation. Chill out, people's lives are at stake here. No one really thinks these powers should collide. Discussing the possibility is irresponsible and outrageous. I am now going to rock my lil baby child to sleep. You crazy monsters!
It feels like we lost out on Cushman the night before the draft but we still got Rod Tidwell.
I dunno... I've seen negative turkey leg counts here. It may be possible.