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Same to you. we debated it last time and this time. Both times respectfully. turkey leg back at you.

Though I am not sure what will convince you if law journals and debate of legal blogs don't. Perhaps only an actual court case will.

At any rate, you are correct in that NCAA will be hip deep in court challenges if they continue to pursue this.

Agreed. I bought doubles of all three effect shirts for last season. Please let us know how we can help beyond the post here.

Not a surprise.
Too bad we didn't have a QB coach with Loefler's training ability when he was a freshman.
It sounds like his ability to be coached is excellent which is another thing that will earn him a spot and a start someday.

I am very happy for him.

Lebron is a physical specimen. And has shown so over the course of his NBA career. Prolly the most physically dominant player at this time. Lot of people do hate LeBron tho. But he would get up from a hit. And he would do quite well in the nfl at TE

I guess I simply remain unconvinced, but that's just my personal view and I definitely appreciate your perspective and the time it took to synthesize all that info and distill it into forum posts. It's worth a read and I'm always open to considering new stuff. Without a legal background myself, it's hard to really get through all of it. Time will tell what happens with the NCAA, but I'm sure of one thing - the NCAA will be facing court challenges on several issues if they keep going down the road they're on without changing with the times.

Turkey leg for a hearty debate from which I now bow out to become a spectator.

Third round pick would be a win, as long as it's in the right situation.
It sounds like the scouts love his upside but note that he will need some work.
What I'm NOT hearing is that he doesn't have the talent to succeed at that level.

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There's a lot of people here that would love to be involved somehow but have no idea where to go or do.

Go Hokies.

That's what we had pegged as the probable.
Plus this. This is what we knew about CFB, he makes people care.

"It was hard to tell him," said Grimes, who emphasized he had the utmost respect for the long-time coach. "Its kind of like telling your dad something that you think your dad doesnt want you to do. You know what I mean? Thats kind of what I felt like calling coach Beamer. I felt bad."

yes, this is a wonderful point. Unless 18, they are children who need protection and I agree with everything you said about that.

The problematic issue with that is that if they are on Twitter which allows underage kids to use their product then there is no way to protect them. parental controls are exactly that, by parents, and if they are allowed on twitter then they are in the public domain.

I still think you and Rocco are using the wrong examples though. Shapiro was a booster, not a casual fan. I have said many times anyone signed under an agreement with the NCAA can be policed (though these umbrella clauses has been contested in court before and lost in corporate world), and I believe boosters, coaches and school officials should be policed.

But what we are talking about is the tweet from the casual fan that has never voluntarily signed anything with the NCAA. Not a booster, nor a coach. Not an existing collegiate athlete. A casual fan. This is where the First Amendment comes into play as illustrated in my points. It is clearly a First Amendment issue as the NCAA is stating that ALL contact to recruits is a violation. They cannot say this and they cannot enforce this without violating the First Amendment.

I have more references to other sites, legal findings and publications if you really need. The point is though that this is a hot button item in constitutional law when it comes to sports. You can find a lot of information online about Free speech the NCAA and recruits, and more in law journals.

What you both said is that it is not a First Amendment issue, but in fact it is. It's a very big issue actually. One that renders the NCAA in a very precarious position and powerless to stop anyone not signed under contract with them.

15 snaps, 10 of which the play call called for a pass. Here's a break down of all of his passing plays:

2nd and 18: pass complete 3 yds
3rd and 15: sack -8 yds
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2nd and 13: sack -12 yds
3rd and 20: pass complete 9 yds (defense had 5 yd penalty just before)
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2nd and 1: pass complete 2 yds
2nd and 8: sack -5 yds
3rd and 13: sack -7 yds
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1st and 10: incomplete pass
2nd and 10: pass complete 4yds
3rd and 6: sack -7 yds

Heres another review by Walterfootball who I wouldnt really call an official analyst, but is generally pretty impartial and has been doing a player by player break down for several years. Here's what he says about Thomas for the game (also has individual practice breakdowns on the site)

Speaking of quarterbacks with potential, Logan Thomas has the talent to be a first-round pick, but he has never been able to put it all together. He's played like a UDFA at times over the past couple of years, but Daniel Jeremiah said that he's talked to some people who believe that Thomas will be chosen in the second round, based on upside alone.

Perhaps Jeremiah's sources will have a change of heart after Thomas' Senior Bowl performance. Thomas completed 4-of-5 attempts, but for only 18 yards. That, however, doesn't tell the whole story. Thomas was sacked FIVE TIMES in four drives. Auburn pass-rusher Dee Ford made his life miserable in the first half, while Princeton's Caraun Reid and BYU's Kyle Van Noy got to him after intermission. Thomas' offensive line did let him down - Baylor's Cyril Richardson continued to disappoint - but Thomas simply processed things slowly and couldn't get rid of the ball quickly enough.

I'd love to see what a quarterback guru like Jim Harbaugh could do with Thomas, but the fact remains that the Virginia Tech product is nowhere close to being ready to start. He needs two years at the very least. That's why he'll be chosen in Rounds 3-4 rather than the second frame.

2014 NFL Draft Projection: 3rd-4th Round

"All of my family is in Texas. All of my wife's family is in Texas," he said. "I've got a sister who is two years younger than I am and is battling cancer right now. My wife's family has some health issues as well. And our parents are getting to that age that you just want to be around them. And this will be the first time in a long time that I had the opportunity to be fairly close to my family. And that was a big part of it, to be honest with you."

Enough said.

No worries man. I was just joking.

But now that you brought it up, which department do you work from?

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