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Two yrs. The avg is 2 yrs to install a system.
If in this scenario a loss to Duke guarantees a win at Miami, I'd choose the Duke loss.
Regardless , losing to Duke is horrible. I don't care how improved they are this season, this offense, as anemic as its been, should be able to put up more than ten points against DUKE. Duke's defense had been comically bad all season up until yesterday and we made them look like All-Americans.
Very true. We all hail Bud (rightly so), but the defensive assistants are absolutely top-notch and they deserve a lot of credit, too.
The first part of this response is my answer. Neither.
Or maybe even play some O. Macho did. Just a thought..
How about EVERYBODY just calming the fuck down! I hate seeing all this dissension among the greatest fan base on the planet (at least in Div 1). We've got 4 games left (not including postseason bowl & potential ACCCG).
Cool thanks...he did play well. The whole defense played so well it is so disappointing the offense was so out of whack
I would wager that Foster has more class than that. I'm sure he's aware that the Defense does it's job and that's all he can do. I'm sure he wants to be rewarded with championships and stuff but he has a job to do and he makes sure that job gets done. That's what he's most worried about. He had enough patience to hang around for the last decade with Ocainspringsome and I'm sure he'll have enough patience to give Loeffler some time (3 years ish) to see what he can really bring to the table.
+1000 my man. It also sucks to lose to Duke but it's not as bad as it would have been a few years ago. Duke is in the upper half of the conference now. We still should've won but credit to Duke for showing up to play. We had a perfect storm of bye week jitters and poor execution to set up the upset.
I wonder if Bud Foster every loses his shit on the offensive staff. He whips his defensive in tip top shape year after year and the offense always lets him down.
I vote Duke as well only if it means we beat Miami.With the Defense we have I would love to get a shot at FSU and let Bud get a shot at Winston.
BEAT MIAMI.
We still control our own destiny. If we win the ACC (Unlikely, I know, but theoretically still possible), and win a BCS bowl (Unlikely, I know, but theoretically still possible), we would be in the same position we would be if we hadn't lost to Duke.
This is a rebuilding year. A win over a top 15 team will help our program more in the future than a loss to Duke will hurt it.
We really shouldn't ever stop giving Torrian Gray credit. That's 3 true freshman corners who have played well this year. Clark is becoming a pretty solid gunner on special teams too.
i know, and thats what i meant. i drank a lot of alcohol last night, still a little fuzzy.
Would rather lose to Duke, beat Miami, and get in the ACCCG. It's all about the hardware.
It makes me happy that there are enough people on here to clearly and concisely point out why the doomsday brigade are wrong. Im not saying that the doomsdayers are not entitled to their opinion, they are, just that it is refreshing to see an argument based on reality and an understanding of what is really going on. That is what separates thekeyplay from most boards.
I'd rather beat Miami and lose to Duke. That would give us the chance to be in the ACCCG and then we can see what our D can do against Famous Jameis & Co. It would finally give the guys on defense to really prove how great they really are. They deserve even more love after this past pitiful offensive performance.
Well this :
You think Ford can beat out Motley? He looked really good in the spring.
How can saying that be perplexing? He wasn't in game situations throwing the ball to his receivers and it appeared to me just watching the game live that he and a lot of other players were at best flat the first half. I put that up to the bye week and losing the momentum from the last 6 wins...His play was terrible there is no way he should have thrown 4 picks and he missed wide open reads (again this is what I saw live have not watched the game again).
#2 but phrased differently...I love it when we beat Miami. I have no opinion of Duke.
that will happen. Loeffler has made it known that he wants to run a pro-style, power running, play-action type of offense. Why aren't we doing that you ask? Well, because we don't have the personnel for it. This 'multiple offense' is temporary. Don't expect this 'no-identity' offense to be the identity of VT football in 3 years. SL needs time to get to where he wants to be. In the meantime, he's doing what he can with what he has to work with. If you had 6 converted TE's starting on your offense you would be struggling too. Especially if they were all coached up by an incompetent coaching staff for 2 or 3 years. The old bad habits won't go away over night. When we start getting players in here who never learned those old habits they'll learn what they need for this new system and will be a lot more effective a lot more quickly. I have faith that this will be an effective offense in 3 years. We all suffered through 10+ years with ocainspringsome. I know that every single person here wants to see completely different results and see them pretty fast. That isn't fair to Loeffler. Give him 3 years and if by then the results are the same as they are now, then we should start to be really concerned. For now, give him a break! We're 6-2 and we control our own destiny for the ACCCG. We're in much better shape this year than last year (I know that a lot of that has to do with Defense, but we shouldn't be complaining)
My man TechHokie13 the fantasy coach dropping the science once again. I was waiting for you to weigh in on yesterday's game. Did you see the hit Trey Edmunds put on the Duke defender after the interception on the Hokie's last possession in the fourth quarter? I really think Trey would be a better linebacker than running back, he just not quite natural at that position in my eyes. Also think Logan would have been better developed as a tight end. What do you think coach?
Chuck Clark, true freshman.

In a depressing sort of twist you can kind of see how the lack of offense actually highlights his abilities. When anyone says anything about Virginia Tech the first thing you talk about is his defense. The fact that we win despite our horrendous offense just gives him more attention. At least that makes me feel better about it haha. In other news what does Bud make? Double it.