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Were our RBs just overrated in HS, or is the OL just bad? Combo?
I guess most of it is just on Logan then, because there were plenty of WRs open yesterday. I would think all the more proof that we could have at least seen if someone else could have at least gotten the ball to them, IMO .
To add onto that comment, I think what really killed us was stalling out on the 30 whenever we did have offensive success. If we had a kicker that could nail 45 yarders, the offense would have done it's job and scored just enough to win. You still want to see the offense get the ball into the endzone, but the output was there.
At the game, made a point to watch Exum as much as possible.
He looked great.
One of my most memorable experiences was the loss to BC in 2008. My best friend went to a small school with a crap football team and he wanted to experience a big college game. When VT jumped to an early lead he was running around the stands hi-fiving people, screaming his head off. Its was great...then it all went down hill. After the game we were talking and he was asking if it was always such an emotional rollercoaster. Well not every game but most seasons are.
Personally I love the emotional rollercoaster. Its an addiction and why I get excited and anxious every Saturday in the fall.
To be fair with your last point, the second stringer had started the game because the starter (Shaw) was still recovering from injury, then at the half I think they said screw it, and put Shaw in. So the argument there is slightly invalid. Just slightly.
The very premise of a "multiple" offense is to find and exploit mismatches. If you don't have personnel that can win many one on one battles... well your offense is going to struggle.
It is VERY telling that the Hokie offense hasn't had many big, explosive plays.
Hmmm... Personally, I wasn't super pumped when the Loeffler hire was made. I really thought we needed a "system" offense guy-- someone from Baylor, Oregon, etc... Someone that could implement an offensive system... Instead we got someone who runs a "multiple" Offense, which is how our Offense was described when Ocainspring was at the helm.... As far as I can tell, "multiple" means you don't do anything well.
Obviously, loeffler has to play the hand that was dealt, but unfortunately we need/want it now. Like someone else said ITT, we havent run a good looking screen, since Parker and Edmunds were the Fullbacks here. I'm just tired of watching crappy offense. I'm also not fully buying the we have no talent line either. I can accept that Logan isn't a QB, but we have 3 RB's who are/were highly ranked. On the OL, Gibson, Benedict, Shuman, Miller, were all highly ranked and had very good offers. I know it doesnt mean they will be any good, but it generally is a n indicator of likely talent. I do think we lack talent at TE and WR, albeit they are doing an admirable job after a rough start. I guess I just thought we would at least be coached up into a better run game. I guess I just miss the mid-late 90s offense, where we would just line up and smash you in the face.
I do have some questions on QB play, though:
When was the last time Beamer ever yanked a starting QB? (maybe Glennon vs LSU?)
Why is Logan untouchable? -- Why not see what Leal has to ffer at this point, since we will need him next year. And if it really is because Logan is that much better, then we are in a heap of poo next year.
Yesterday, Spurrier yanked his starter when they went down 17-0. It provided a spark and USC came back to win. Whats wrong with Beamer trying that, Logan didn't have it yesterday. Maybe it sparks the offense, but Beamer never gives it a chance...IMO..
Me, I'm emotionally invested in this team at this point. They've demonstrated to be a large group of tough SOBs. I want them to win dammit. I know they might not. I know at times a loss will even be probable. But they're just tough as all hell. The personalities on this team are good ones. Not a whole lot of people out there trying to be showboats who think they're better than the team (there are exceptions).
For me, the plan for the rest of the season is grit my teeth during the game, and let a few tears roll when the guys that I want to succeed don't. Not because I'm so sad that my team isn't the best. Instead because I know that an incredible group of guys are disappointed in themselves.
Oh word, my bad. I see your point now
To me it is pretty simple. Duke gave up 58 points to Pitt. I mean, think about that for a minute. We ran more than 80 plays, had the ball for almost 40 minutes...AND Duke did not convert a 3rd down. If anything, Duke's defense should have been so gassed, the nursing home intramural team should have been able to put up more than 10 points. This game made Stiney look like Chip Kelly compared to Loeffler.
I don't think we scared anyone away. They either want to be at VT or not. If not I wish them good luck and hope they enjoy their college experience as much as I did. If they do join the Hokie family I'll cheer for them regardless of what the team's record is.
Continue to not read the threads from yesterday, is my advice. They're all the same.
As unfortunate as it may be, since the question address THIS SEASON, GUYS, I would rather lose to Duke. In general, I would rather lose to Miami because they are a more respectable team, blah blah blah. But this season, if we lose to Duke but beat Miami (along with everyone else on our schedule), it is a better scenario.
People need a bit of time off of this site to vent quietly by themselves, I believe.
The entire game looked eerily like a replay of this year's spring game. Can't explain it; just had this gut feeling from the beginning it was going to be bad. Anyway, time to move on.
I think what pisses me off about this loss is that I remember the 2&8 seasons from the 80s ...VT is my school and my father's and my uncles' ...it is literally in my blood . I remember when we were irrelevant and maybe I'm greedy now but I want to fill that empty case. I'm proud of what Beamer has done but I want to see it finished... We cannot do that by always being the signature win of Duke or JMU or ECU. I respect the old guard on this sight so I'm done. Now it's time for VT to do what I remember from these previous losses and bounce back. We better win out and Logan better play like he's on fire. It's time to sack up and be the team we should be. Go Hokies!!!
I'll bite as I'd had the same observation. (not a guru....official disclaimer.)
I think it's a combination of lack of talent and lack of execution.
I tend to be Pollyanna when it comes to our players 'cause I love them and they're Hokies and I truly believe (except for a certain WR from last year, and maybe a certain kicker this year) that they are busting it.
I'm not convinced this year that it's bad coaching-jury's still out, (although I'm starting to wonder about RB).
Previous years, we've had enough talent, but atrocious coaching on offense, but we lost the majority of talent (and coaching, thankfully) last year.
Maybe too simplistic, but we need better recruiting and time to let the coaches do their jobs...so for me, average fan, it will take patience.
That's part of the fun, for me, of this season. If you told me at the beginning that we would have a losing season, I wouldn't have been that surprised. The rest is gravy at this point.
We could beat, or be beaten, by any team left on our schedule, so I'm just gonna hold on for the ride and not get too upset about much at all.
I knew, just being sarcastic :)
And they get to be a top 10 team still? ridiculous.
Utah
Defensive recruits? None. Offensive recruits? Maybe one of two, if that. Recruits don't way heavily on losses like these.
Who the fuck did Stanford lose to again?? Rankings are a joke.
This same question could've been posed 3 years ago when we lost to JMU, then proceeded to run the table and win the ACC. Granted even if we lost to Miami that year we still would've been coastal champs. But say Miami hadn't lost 2 other games. I still would've rather lost to JMU and ended up in the ACCCG, than beat an FCS team and have nothing to show for the season at the end of December. Apply this same line of thought to this season: I'd rather lose to duke and proceed to run the table and make it to the ACCCG, than go into the Miami game and lose, basically ending our ACCCG hopes for good.
Duke. Hate Miami's football program way more than Duke's. Plus this way we aren't necessarily out of the running for ACCCG. Regardless of whether we 'deserve' to be there or not, I always want us to go as far as we can.
Neither? Neither game should (should've been) be lost. That's not an option though. That's in the past and the team has to move forward.
I guess losing to Miami would've been easier to digest but looking at the bigger picture I would rather lose to Duke. We have a lot to prove that game and the ACCCG on the line. I think we are very capable of beating Miami if all points connect and offense plays better than they did yesterday... IF, and ONLY if, the offense plays like they did yesterday I don't see us winning against BC or Miami... It's good that our little wake-up call happened now rather than later.
Damn, I meant USCe.
Well that would have allowed for more phantom block in the back calls.