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These are some great family memories...........little timmys sister 10 years later............"hey Timmy remember when you and dad went to your first Duke game and you looked like a huge pussy on national tv."

A thousand times yes.

Defense - keep swarming to the ball, 6+ sacks, 2+ ints, 1 or more forced fumbles, hold the Dookies to under 250 yds and 10 pts

Offense - 400+ total yards, 100+ yards from RBs, no interceptions, no fumbles, and win time of possession

Special teams - no missed fgs, solid kick/punt coverage, and a big return

Doing all these things would be awesome, but most importantly finish the game with more points on the scoreboard and beat the Dookies.

GO HOKIES!

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I would argue that most of the other Native American mascots are more offensive than the Redskins.

I took 'mascot' to mean 'team name' as I read the first time (and even the second time, after reading your response). I suppose you didn't mean that, and I apologize. However, hard to separate the icon/mascot/symbol from the team name. And 'Redskins' just ain't cool. At least to me.

Honestly, I can look past anyone because I'm not on the team and my mentality doesn't affect how the players perform. In the event that I overlook a team and they beat us, it only affects me since I become more frustrated since I would have seen it as a game we should have won. The team needs to worry about Duke, then BC, then Miami, but as a fan, I can look ahead to any game I want. So don't mind me as I go ahead and start planning out our starting lineup and the final score for the Battle at Bristol.

It would depend on who will make them the most money

In this day and age UVA has about three arguments that come up when talking Virginia Tech Football.

1) They have better academics

UVA is a fine institution of higher learning. Their medical program, business program, and law program are just outstanding. A lot of very smart people go to UVA and go on to become very important members of society. But VT has academics that are just as good as UVA. We have engineering, architecture, science, and a business program that isn't hard to argue is on par with them. The thought that any of those fields is somehow less important or meaningful is plain asinine.

2) Empty Trophy Case

Trust us, UVA, we know that we do not yet have a NCAA Team national title. But please understand that your argument is basically saying that we are lesser people for having a goal that pretty much any other university's athletic program has, and that is to win a national championship regardless of how many have come before it.

3) They have more national titles than us

Yes you do. Congrats! I won't sit here and try and take that accomplishment away from you. I know we want one badly too. All I ask is that you don't bring this up while talking football because you have approximately zero national titles in that category as well.

Notice how each of these have little or nothing to do with football, and it definitely has nothing to do with UVA vs. VT football. They have nothing on us in football, they can sit on their site and bitch and moan and take their little shots. They can take solace in their national title teams, most of which they probably never saw play a single game in person, or even heard of the team's success until they saw the news of the championship.

Just remember this, Hokies; we had a year last year that as we don't come to expect as VT fans, it was a tough year for us to watch. UVA would haev taken a 7-6 season with a bowl win over many of their last few seasons and done so happily. They had a chance to beat us, in our own house. They had us beat, but we were able to fight back and win. They know that was their best chance in years and likely their best chance for more years to come.

This year, we've come back strong, proving that last year was not acceptable and that we are better than that. UVA has been trying to improve for a while now and can't seem to leave square one, we did it in one year. While they still struggle to beat teams like Ball St. we are competing with Alabama and in the ranks with teams like Auburn, Clemson, Miami, LSU, etc.

So yes, UVA, take your shots on your little message board, and keep bringing up your points to redirect conversation. We'll take owning you in football and having the drive to get better instead of being arrogant enough to try and make fun of a program that has dominated your team for a decade.

They wish they had our football program's success.

I agree it is a toss up, I feel Oregon's flashy numbers will ultimately put them back ahead. The only way I see FSU staying #2 is if they do to Miami what they did to Clemson and then do it again in the ACCCG.

It was set up in 97 or 98 if I remember correctly

I think the point to be made is that your thought process is entirely too reasonable and well founded. The polls....well...

I understand completely. it was more directed at the world at large in case anyone is forgetting that if we get ahead of ourselves we set ourselves up for disaster.

I've heard this but I'm not sure I agree. Oregon has UCLA and Stanford next. They both already have a loss. If Oregon wins out, Stanford has at least two losses and UCLA has at least two as well. Then Oregon probably plays UCLA in the PAC12CG, presumably giving them another loss. So UCLA has at least three losses, Stanford two, meanwhile FSU has to play Miami (1 or 2 losses before ACCCG), beat Clemson (1-loss so far), then maybe Miami (1 loss prior to ACCCG) or VT (1 loss before ACCCG, then Miami has 2). Oregon beat Tenn, but Clem/FSU have USCe/Florida before season's end, and I believe your opponents' first-degree opponents factor into your schedule strength. Seems like a toss up to me.

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